Falling: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU, mediocre workouts Courtney Upshaw LB/DE Alabama, mediocre workouts, tweener Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama, pot bust Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor, slow 40 at combine for a small WR Mike Adams, LT, Ohio State, injuries, inconsistency Doug Martin, RB, Boise State, poor man's MJD is not turning heads Rising: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M, desperation in Cleveland and Miami Melvin Ingram, DE/LB, pass rusher flowing into the gaps left by Brockers and Upshaw Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis, strong workouts, big guy in a draft short on big at the top Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame, big playmaker regaining a 6 to 12 spot that had drifted away Fletcher Cox, DT, Miss State, best 3-4 DE prospect has a lot of teams moving him up the board Mark Barron, S, Alabama, moving solidly back up into the bottom half of the first Usually the special value in a draft is in the guys falling, because a couple of months of poor workouts are somehow out-weighing 3 or 4 years of great play. The risers tend to be the guys who star at the combine and pro days and are over-bought and then disappoint down the road. Not sure what to make of the situation this year though. I'm pretty sure I'd take Brockers and Upshaw over Ingram and Poe but it gets really dicey after that.
Not really buying a few of those. Dre's arrest was a while ago like Vandy said, and I think he just has a wide range of landing spots because Corner isn't really seen as a MAJOR need by a lot of teams. Dallas was my thought all along, but with Brandon Carr it really shakes things up. Also, Fletcher Cox isn't a good fit as a 34 end unless it's in a 1 gap 34. Relies heavily on quickness, has size but is more of a lean athlete, and doesn't use his strength well. A lot of his value comes in because he can run in straight lines really fast... which doesn't matter at all. Should be a 2nd rounder, but DT value is all screwed up this year. Not sure what Doug Martin did to be a faller, he's risen a bit, now he's steady as an early to mid 2.
Upshaw got even scarier. He was supposed to lose weight after the combine and instead put more on..up to 280. What will he be at the time camp opens, 300? I really hope the Jets don't blow another first round pick.
We haven't blown a first rounder since '08. We have done fine since the arrival of Rex. The Wilson pick might have been a bit reactionary to watching Drew Coleman, Lito Sheppard, and Donald Strickland all get torched even while Reggie Wayne's crisp routes created enough separation to be effective against Revis in the AFCCG. Still a good pick and lauded as great value at the time. He's in year 3 and will have a real off season this time around.
Clearly this is your opinion, I disagree with quite a few. Kirkpatrick's issue was a while a go. He will be a Mid 1st rd pick at worst. Mike Adam's stock rose into Rd 1 after the Senior Bowl and he will stay in rd 1. He never rose that far that his stock is slipping. Doug Martin??? that's pure nonsense. Martin is probably one of the biggest risers in this draft. He is a borderline 1st rd pick/early rd 2 and wasn't even considered a 2nd rounder last Dec. Dontari Poe IMO, hit his peak, he's not a playmaker and never was, a workout warrior and a physical wonder.
The book is still open on whether Sanchez was worth a #5 and a trade up to use it, you already mentioned Wilson, I would say Cromartie isn't here is Wilson lived up to a first round pick and we will see if Wilkerson works out this year. That's all there is since 2008 and Gholsten.
Kirkpatrick was cleared of the charges completely, but I'm sure teams will still quiz him about it during interviews. We all know that short of killing someone, Cincinnati (a team that needs a CB) won't shy away from anyone with legal issues.
Wilkerson is the wildcard here. I saw nothing from him last year that suggested he was going to be a star at the NFL level. He will be a decent player most likely but he's not going to turn heads. I think in a couple of years we're going to look back at 2008 to 2011 and see it as one of the worst 4 year stretches in the draft for the Jets ever. If 2012 is similarly bad there's almost nothing the Jets can do to avoid a major rebuild.
Shaun Ellis never was a "head turner", most 3-4 DE aren't superstars. They have a specific role and Mo Wilk was solid as a rookie 3-4 DE, nothing flashy, just solid. Don't expect a 3-4 DE to have double digit sacks, that's not their role, just to take on O-lineman and let the back 8 players make plays.
Stephon Gilmore should be on there Guys a big time riser, could even go in the first half of the first round Dare i say, might even pass Kirkpatrick
What did you really expect from a rookie with no pre-season? Hopefully, with a full pre-season this year he will show us all what he can really do. :jets:
Wilkerson has a real bright future. Is he Reggie White? No he's not. What he is an athlete with a huge wingspan,long arms & explosion. He started learning how to get off blocks by year's end. Once he learns better leverage, and puts on more muscle on his huge frame..he's going to be a very good player.
I agree with Kurt here. Mo played good for a rookie 5T last year. He was decent against the run and showed promise as a inside rusher. If he improves his technique some he can be a very good long term lineman for us.
Agree with all of those. Doug Martin’s stock is rising, and its rising fast. Any back that can run between the tackles, run outside, pass-protect, catch passes, break tackles and draws comparisons to MJD and Ray Rice is going to be highly coveted. Also, this is just me, but Im not buying the Poe stock. I dont think he should even be in the talk of a top 16 pick. He’s a workout warrior, and once people realize that I would imagine his stock will lower to where it should be.
I thought Pouha was our best player, but wilk was second and not by too much. Seeing as he should only beet better with experience things look bright for him and the jets.
Well Pouha was elite as a 2 down run plugger, not mucn else While Mo Wilk was stout vs the run, and a solid contributer on passing downs Guess its hard to really compare the two though Eitherway id love to have another Mo Wilk for the other end
I guess I look at it as Pouha did his job with much greater consistency than Mo. Wilkerson brings more overall, but for last season ran a bit hot and cold, where Pouha was very good game in and game out at his job. Either way both guys did very well last year and if for some reason we land another guy like wilk the line would look scary good.
Im hoping for Brcokers in the first or Brandon Thompson in the 2nd One of the 2 and other teams are really gonna hate us
