With the regular season starting tomorrow I tend to agree, no way they fill all those holes by morning.
You dark siders are always flip flopping. One day you say we should be smart with our money & build through the draft, the next day the organization is "in flames" b/c the holes have not been filled with the checkbook. The Jets made a few low risk/high reward type moves & now they prepare for the draft with the most picks they've had since 2006. Like the moves/players or not,they do in fact fill needs on this team. Additionally the contracts/compensation are set-up in a very team favorable way. How you can make such harsh critique when so much of the offseason remains? Another thing that bears repeating that many refuse to acknowledgelayers like Wilson,Wilkerson,Conner,Maybin,Ellis,Ballore,Mcknight & yes even Ducasse, should all be better players next year. Sometimes in house improvements can make a big difference.
I wouldn't say the organization is in flames, and I have faith that the young players will step up. I have come forward in multiple Ducasse threads saying that I really do think this will be a good year for him. I really like Kerley in the slot and Wilson really became a lot better this year. But one of the weaknesses was O line depth that still hasn't been addressed. We do know Turner and Slauson are coming off injuries, and Moore is getting up there in age. Ducasse, as much as I have in faith in him, is still a question mark at this point. Hunter underperformed to what was expected. I do understand there were not too many offensive lineman available for the money the Jets had, but I really thought it would have been good if they addressed it early on. I think everyone on the board agrees our offensive line play dropped off from 2010-2011 to 2011-2012. Does this mean Tanny can't go out and draft/sign someone, no. But I was just hoping it would be a priority, especially the way Sanchez, the franchise QB, took a beating last year. Tanny also came out and said the Jets are done in FA. Knowing Tanny, we will probably sign someone tomorrow, but it still wasn't good to here.
A better athlete means nothing if you aren't filling positions you need. If all we need is an athlete then Tebow could take RT, FS or OLB and truly solve one of our problems.
Thanks. Exactly. Unless Tebow is going to be a 2.5 million dollar center, I kind of agree with the sentiment that we've got too many spots left unfilled or without depth, both widely publicized and silently so. Regarding the trend this thread is taking; I'm not a darksider by the least, if being a darksider is defined as wanting your team to FA and Draft smart, so be it.
The Jets needed a better Plan A around Sanchez, not Plan B. And if they were going to go for Plan B they desperately needed not to lock themselves into 2 years of Sanchez beforehand. It's just such a total clusterfuck at this point.
Yeah Tebow can clearly help the team, but it would be like if the Jets went out and got another cornerback. It helps the team, but was it a need and could the utilities have been spent to fix a need? I agree, I am not a darksider. I just am trying to get past the sensationlism of Tebow and view the team as a whole right now. I think our guys will improve, but if you are in a position where you expect/need a guy to improve to fill a role, that puts more pressure on them and the team if you are wrong.
Yeah. Of course, in a perfect world, our concerns are useless and the Jets win 10-12 games this year and run their way into the playoffs again, with a 3rd and 4 Tebow draw being the difference between another superbowl over a 3rd failed afcc appearance under Rex. Looking at the team as a whole: Going into the draft we are about 80%. I'd like to see some depth because every Jets fan knows historically its injuries and lack of depth late season that ruins seasons.
i am a darksider by nature... i dont want or expect any big free agency moves. i really dont have much of a problem with the landry pickup IF and its a HUGE IF he can come back healthy from 2 years on the shelf and a bad achilles. lets face it, its not in any way guaranteed, and in my world expected that he will. and that still doesnt fulfill the need for a cover safety. we have some decent talent that will hopefully continue to progress. however we have not set ourselves up to do the one thing that people who always talk about building through the draft say is most important... be able to draft bpa. we have too many needs and are probably going to be depending on a few of them to step up this year and contribute a large amount. thats bad business and does not bode well for the team moving forward this year or over the next few years. instead we did what i consider to be a complete marketing move and made the big off season move to bring in the big name. just like last year. and the year before. and when we brought in favre. i dont know if its the bagel man or woody but this shit has got to stop.
With rookie salaries better under control I wouldn't mind at all if we went after more than one player for our most dire needs. For example a G/T and a G/C, a DE/OLB and a OLB/ILB. I really don't understand what is going on with Rob Turner as a FA. His position was never adequately filled after his injury last season.
The Jets added a starting safety (I am assuming either Jimmy or Smith will be back). The Jets re-signed Thomas and Pouha. They will add another pass rusher in the draft. I think Bellore might step up and become a starter. Bart Scott will still be here, and if not, he will net a pick. On offense, we got a back-up HB. They added Schillens and will draft another WR. They will add a blocking TE and a RT at some point too. Despite the doom and gloom, this off-season has been fine.
I saw that Turner visited the Rams the other day---not sure if he was signed. We have holes------we have NO off line depth and we are hoping Ducasse and Hunter can improve----grandpa used to say wish in one hand and shit in the other. We should have addressed a few things but this team is stacked with talent--go ask Management they will tell ya the same
They need to develop a long term plan of attack and stick to it. Not change from year to year on it. Stop trying to compete with the Giants. Build a team to win a SB not to get headlines.
we essentially gave up a 4th round pick for Tebow, an interesting player that is a great Wildcat option. In 2006 we spent a 4th round pick on Brad Smith, a much less interesting player that was a far less effective wildcat option - I dont remember too many people going nuts when we signed brad smith. This is a player a team spent a 1st round pick on recently.
You're right on the first part. But they don't need to stop competing with the Giants they need to *start* competing with the Giants. The Jets spend all of their resources on winning the off-season while the Giants tend to lay low. Then we get to the regular season and the Jets are going all-cylinders for the current season, just like they did all off-season, and they wind up short in the end. This is because when you focus everything on a 12 month cycle the way the Jets do you never build the long-term assets to compete with a team that looks at the game over multiple year spans the way the Giants do. The Giants are winning Super Bowls (again) because they have gotten to a point where the long-term plans out-weigh the short term losses they take now and then. It's not Eli Manning. Eli Manning is like the 9th best QB in football, maybe. He throws a ton of interceptions and he always has. He has strings of bad games that the Giants lose and he always has. He's not Tom Brady or Drew Brees or even Ben Roethlisberger. He's just a good QB. The reason the Giants are competitive in the big game is because they have a plan. They invest a lot of value in the draft on the defensive side and they make sure that they always have a good pass rush. They have a good QB and they make sure he always has decent receivers to throw too that cover all ranges on the field. They make sure the offensive line is decent and they make sure they can run the ball. That's why the Giants are competitive at the highest levels. The Jets need to get that plan. They need to stop going flavor of the month in the off-season. They need to make sure their offensive line is always decent. They need to make sure they can apply pressure on the QB. They need to get a decent group of receivers together and give them some continuity with the QB. They need to make sure they can run the ball when they need too not just when the other team can't stop them. They already have the QB but because so much else is missing nobody can tell that clearly and because the QB always gets too much credit when things go well and takes too much blame when not they will probably lose him in a year or two tops. They need to compete with the Giants. Not win the damn off-season again. The Giants haven't won an off-season from the Jets in about a decade. Where has that gotten us? Where has it gotten them?
Brad Smith was also a league leading KR and a WR on top of a very effective wildcat QB. And just because the Broncos spent a 1st rounder on Tebow doesnt mean it was the correct move or value. His value going into the draft was around a 2nd (at best) or a 3rd rounder. Drafting Tebow 25th overall was a big reach by the Broncos.
I thought the Jets actually learned from their mistakes of making the huge splash in the offseason. They laid low the for the most part in FA and didnt bite at the big fish. They added some low risk/high reward players and I liked what I saw. Sadly, they changed all of that when they decided to go after Tebow. Once again, making a huge splash (at a position that is underserving of the media attention it gets/or is getting) and trying to win the offseason. I liked the direction we were moving in and it resembled what the successful franchises did, like the Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Packers, Saints. But that all ended with Tebow.
I agree. You described it better than I did. They react to the Giants and try to one-up them. They should focus on themselves. Fix the flaws and strengthen the whole team. Penny wise, dollar foolish.
i liked brad a lot when he was with the jets but lets face it he was not an effective wildcat QB as he had even less ability to throw the ball than tebow and his production in the return game was largely a product of our schemes (just look at mcknights production last year - hardly a coincidence)
