I agree with those that said Mike T should be on the shortest leash. Ducasse, re-signing Hunter, trading Lowery are not what you want as evidence for being retained.
If any team but the Giants had won this Super Bowl, I'd be saying that Rex and Tanny had a 1 year lease. But Woody Johnson has had 2 Lombardi's shoved in his face by Mara and Tisch, all the while they stuck with a retread HC that was wildly unpopular during both of those seasons and a QB that struggled during both of those seasons, and they fought the odds and won, damn the fans and the shitbag NY media. Woody is jealous, and likely sick of being mocked by his stadium roommates. He's tired of having sand kicked in his face, and the ultimate sign of weakness would be to run out and find himself a more prominent GM and a HC with rings. He wants to do it the way the Giants did, and better, without having to hire some new help to do it. I think the Jets could miss the playoffs for the next 2 seasons, and Rex at least would be safe. Likely Tanny, too.
I call your three negatives and raise you four positives. Antonio Cromartie thoroughly outperformed Nnamdi Asomugha in 2011 at 66% of the price. Jeremy Kerley was a 5th rounder and has clearly established himself as a solid slot receiver going forward. Aaron Maybin was claimed off waivers after zero sacks in 2 seasons and gets 6 for us with 4 forced fumbles. Muhammad Wilkerson stepped in from day 1 as a solid starting 3-4 DE and filled Shaun Ellis's role as if he'd never left.
I also disagree with this whole idea that the Jets are getting older, Every year there is a draft to breath youth into every NFL team. When the time comes to replace guys like Mangold and Devito, we will do it. But our days arent tied to theirs, when they are done we will replace them. It will be hard to replace them but we will find players.
I don't think Rex is in a 1 year 'get it done or else' situation, and I hope they keep him in place to provide stability at HC, which helps a lot. If this draft class flops for MT despite the number of picks we have, and their position, it could put him in a precarious position, but more in 2 years than this year. It was an 8-8 season, and the Jets were in the playoff hunt until the end. I think the Jets are making the appropriate changes to make them playoff capable again, though the biggest threat is likely the Bills if they manage to sign Mario Williams, who could line up against Hunter or Ducasse and eat them alive if neither steps up this season or we don't draft one / sign one from FA.
I love doom & gloomers. Obviously the results of this season depend on what moves Tanny makes right now. If he comes through, like he has many years prior, we're in good hands. If he has an off year again, we may be in trouble. We shall see what happens. I think it's way more likely they wait till the end of the Sanchez era. So if Sanchez turns into the QB we think he may, the Tanny and Rex era will continue for a long time. If not, it lasts 2 years more at minimum. That's the official timetable on success. I have confidence in them.
I don't know Aby. The Jets have a stagnant offense,regressing defense, bad locker room, and not a lot of resources to improve on those situations. If the Bills get Williams and Meacham, and the Dophins get Manning or Flynn, and the Pats are the Pats, it could be long year for Rex and Tanny. But in the end for Tanny it will all depend on how he does bottom feeding in the FA market, and how this draft works out. For Rex, he will have to prove that he is actually an NFL HC, and not just the PR guy for the NY Jets. He will have to prove he can win back the respect of his players and create a good locker room. If he does that, the team plays hard, Sanchez progresses, and things look like they are on the upswing, then I think he'll get another year, even if the Jets don't make the playoffs. But if it ends next year, like it did last season, then I think he's gone....both of them. BTW- since I usually bring nothing but doom and gloom, here are a couple of historical examples that might bring some light into my gloomy forecast. Big name FA's and top ten draft picks are not always the key to success. Just ask Eagle fans. But what's happening to the Jets got me thinking about Patriot History. Back in 2001 the Pats brought in 6 or 7 FA's. most of whom made the minimum or just a bit more, all of whom played significant roles in the Pats first superbowl. Guys like Andruzzi, Patten, Vrabel, Pleasant, ASmith, Phifer, Izzo. These were ALL guys that were no names before they got to the Pats. And Pats fans, at the time, barely noticed when it was announced these guys had signed The same can be said for last season's Pats team. The mediots couldn't ball wash the Pats enough when they signed Haynesworth and Ocho. And they couldn't care less about the signings of Waters, Anderson, and Carter, the FAs who actually helped the Pats to another superbowl appearance The lesson here is, while it might be frustrating to Jet fans when other teams are signing big names and the Jets aren't. as season's success isn't going to be determined by what happens over the next few weeks. I can almost here the mediots in Boston going nuts when the Bills hold a press conference to announce the signings of Mario Williams and Meacham, and the Pats hold a press conference to announce the signings of Matt Slater (special teams ace) and Dan Connolly (back up C/G) They will be calling for BB's head. LOL, The end result is that you really don't know how a team will develop until it actually does. One of the beautiful aspects of the game of football is that you can't judge a team on paper, because very often the sum of the whole is better than the individual parts.
I would love to bring up posts about Jerry Reese on a Giants message board after their offseason. If we had the offseason the Giants had last year, and the GM guaranteed a playoff berth after it, we would be going nuts.
Ok the Bills have a bad coach tho, they had a good team last year, but when people figured them out the coach had no answers at all. Chan Gailey isnt a big time coach.
This, they all were begging for him to be fired last year, they were in an uproar. Now Reese looks like a genius.
Before I respond to this post in it's entirety, I'm going to need you to list the current coaches that you consider to have "proven" that they are NFL HCs. Choose wisely.
The Jets had a lot go wrong that could turn around naturally this year. So many lost fumbles. No matter how turnover prone our team is this season it can't be worse than last year. All the special teams flubs must have had Westhoff up at night. Not to mention 1 FG was missed against us all year and people were kicking 50 yarders like it was nothing. We know our defense will always be good. 5th in the league with no pass rush and slow injured safeties and LBs. Can only get better from there no? Sanchez is still learning. Hopefully under a new OC he can become more consistent. Now he gets a full offseason with his coaches, gets to heal that shoulder, and will be hungry after getting his ass chewed by the media. Some people here make it sound like we were miles away from the playoffs. The way I see it we were 1 stop at the end of the Denver game away. I expect a much better performance from the Jets this year. I think this season was a wake up call that Sanchez and Rex especially desperately needed. Im not saying they are going to be world beater but Ill be shocked if they don't make the playoffs this year. Winning this division is one thing because likely it takes 13+ games with NE in the division but I don't see why winning 11 games is farfetchd.
I think many people forget that Rex is the best head coach this team has ever had. Even if the bills get Mario, they still could use some more offensive line help and some more defensive help. I'll believe the bills are for real when I see it for a whole season. I think they are on the rise but need one more year. I don't what about the dolphins makes people convinced they are in a good state right now. They just traded away their best receiver and have a huge hole there. They have a new head coach, and even if they get Matt Flynn he is an unknown. People are making way too big a deal about that game against the Lions. There were good throws by Flynn, but there were also plenty of easy completions as well. I still think the Jets are the second best team in the division right now because I haven't seen enough from the other teams to make me think otherwise.
Couldn't disagree more. You think they should change coaches if they don't make the playoffs next year? That would just be crazy talk. The successful teams are the ones who don't panic and make too many changes (Raiders come to mind.) Rex Ryan is a very good football coach. We went 8-8 last year, not 2-14. God, Jets fans c'mon! Show me some knowledge. One down year and you guys all freak out. It takes time to build a winner. In 3 years, he's 28-20 with 2 AFC Championship games!
I Think your a bit too premature to pronounce our team a third place finisher. I do agree that Rex and Tanny will be on a very hot seat if we Straight out suck again. Tanny more then Rex. The offense Went threw some issues last year and one big one as you mention is The Offensive line. Hunter sucked royally and was retain for god knows what reason , but he is here and here to stay for a year or two no matter what we want. The Jets will pick someone up and Ducasse will continue to be applied as depth and more then likely will not be a Jet Come 2013. The Oline play directly effected the Run . Even Brick had a down year and Mangold had to take a seat for a few games; that is just what happens from time to time. The wide receivers are a more bright spot to me then you may think. I know for certain we will pick up a tall receiver to stretch the field and all will be well. I think tight end is more of a concern for this team. Id like you to think about a quarter back who cant even go threw his progressions before being demolished and you then ask yourself why there was not too many plays over 40 yards. Defense is also a evolving area because I agree we generated very little pressure and this goes against what our defense is predicated in doing . Pressuring the quarter back into throwing too early and thus forcing the error that we are supposed to turn into points. Our safeties were horrible and opposing teams could have throw to their tight ends on every down and made a first down...I'm not joking. Our Linebackers were limited if not also terrible in coverage so there is a major void in the middle of the field that a non-existent pass rush will be so inviting to opposing teams . Look no one said this was going to be easy and as the saying goes that on any given Sunday and anything can happen. The Jets are in a much better position then they have been in years past and have a tremendously talented cast of players that will contribute next year. whether that translates into win I don't know , but to say we are screwed and a third place team is Just not right or true!
It's all going to depend on how the Jets play next year. If they look competitive and there aren't messy issues around the locker room or coaching staff then there's no way that Tannenbaum and Rex get fired. That's whether they make the playoffs or not. If they don't look competitive, like a bad 8-8 or worse then Tannenbaum probably gets demoted and Woody brings somebody else in to run the football operations. If they look bad in the locker room and don't make the playoffs then Rex goes. The Jets could make the playoffs next season and get booted early and Rex could get fired if the locker room looks like a problem. What the Jets have tried to do the last 4 seasons or so is fundamentally flawed. You do not win the jackpot in the NFL by bringing in good free agents and drafting mediocre players. Nobody has done that and won it all. George Allen kind of tried in the 70's and got to a Super Bowl but he never won it. What the Jets are missing right now is not just Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers/Drew Brees ad nauseum. They're missing the great players that help all of the above make plays. They're missing a defense that can shut down people on demand. They're missing a plan that works. They don't need any single one of the four things listed above but they won't win a Super Bowl until they definitely have two or three of them and the last of the four is the hardest to acquire. Only about a half dozen teams in the NFL have it. That's why only a half dozen teams seem to make the Super Bowl a couple of times a decade.
