good point and also b4 the camp starts they should address the #2 wr issue as well so sanchez can work w/ him too
Breakdown of passing plays in theGiants game by quarter: Jets 1st - 12 (66.7%) 2nd - 19 (79.2%) 3rd - 12 (63.2%) 4th - 27 (87.1%) The Jets had 43 passing plays (71.7%) at the moment the Giants went up 17-7 in the 3rd. Giants 1st - 9 (69.2%) 2nd - 10 (76.9%) 3rd - 6 (42.3%) 4th - 4 (28.6%) The Giants had 25 (62.5%) passing plays at the point they went up 17-7. The Giants stopped spitting into the wind in the 3rd quarter and they put the game away. The Jets just kept spitting and watching it fly back into their faces. The Giants had Eli Manning at QB having one of his best years. It's understandable that they waited until the 3rd quarter to tone things down and grind out a win. The Jets had Sanchez under heavy fire and clearly uncomfortable in the pocket and yet at no point during the game did they just tone it down and try to grind out a win. That's basically why they lost. They should have won that game. Just like they should have won the Buffalo game Sanchez rookie year. Just like they should have won the Raiders game with Favre in '08. Brian Schottenheimer, for whatever reason, was never able to just go with what was working on the day when he was the Jet's OC. He spent 6 years here spitting into the wind and most of that came back in our faces.
The Jets controlled the clock, the Jets ran 84 plays while the Giants ran 53 Eli threw an INT to keep us in the game in the 4th qtr so how much did they tone it down? They didn't stop throwing until after that pick. The Jets moved the ball all first half despite throwing so much, once they fell behind and had to throw they became less effective.
The Giants didn't put away the pass entirely in the 2nd half of that game they just toned it down because they recognized that all it had gotten them in the game to that point was a lucky 99 yard score with several missed tackles along the way. The Jets never had that moment of recognition and that's why they lost.
It's hard to stop passing when you go down 10 pts. 1st qtr: NYJ pass 11, run 7. On TD drive threw it 7 times to 3 runs 2nd qtr: passed 7 times, ran 5 times until 2 min situation where we then passed 11 times and ran once. 3rd qtr: started by running 5 times and passing 5 times then Burress had 5 yfd peanlty setting up 1st and 15. we passd for 7 then passed again and got holding penatly so it was 2nd and 3rd and 18- should we have run it? 4th qtr: after the Giants took 10 pt lead we passed it 25 more times 59 pass attempts looks startling and I'm sure we could have run a few more times but the situations of the game dictated passing much more than we ran.
The 2009 and 2010 Jets would likely just have buckled down and run the ball a lot more in a close game like that. The 2011 Jets never got off the passing first idea and so they lost 2 or 3 games they should have won. It was a fundamental inability to adjust to the fact that 3rd year QB's usually aren't ready to amp up the passing game and certainly are not ready to do that in the absence of strong pass protection and receivers they have a comfort level with.
There's nothing wrong with the stats, he just does a poor job of explaining the context. I assume he was making the point that Sanchez, like all QBs, struggles under pressure. However the book on Sanchez has been that he struggles more than many QBs in that situation, but does his best on play-action. In explaining the numbers he should point out that more and shorter throws were used this year, which increased his number of pressures, reduced the efficiency of PA, also the ineffectiveness of Burres down the field (which KC Joyner wrote about on ESPN) contributed as well. As to the last stat, it shows correctly what anyone looking at the year end QB rankings would know, that Sanchez has been a below league average qb for the team over his career, but it is based on totals, which inflates his numbers, as he played every game on good teams, his per game PAA is much lower, since below average QBs often don't get to play that many games.
The other thing about the under pressure stats is that Sanchez is young and inexperienced and likely to be less prolific under pressure than a 5 or 8 or 11 year vet. I also think that Brian Schottenheimer put an unusual amount of pressure on all the QB's who played here with an overly complex system that just took too long to execute on the field. All those snaps under 5 seconds have a cost associated with them when they're not in the usual context of you have a big lead and you're killing the clock. Holding linemen in a set position for 8 or 10 seconds is really too long. Even a vet QB has trouble maintaining things in that situation. I think everybody on the offense paid a price in mental endurance over the years as Schotty failed to adapt to the fact that his system was fundamentally flawed.
I didn't see it like that, I know that was a big thing in the media and even Rex addressed it but that first month we passed a ton b/c A) we couldn't run and B) we were falling behind and had to pass.
What you fail to mention is, Jets were down by 6, with 5 minutes to go at the midfield (about 50 yard line) in 4th quarter. Now that's the time to grind the clock out, no? So what does Schottenheimer call up? Pass/Pass/Pass/Punt. That is just inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Another thing you fail to mention: Jets were very good running up the middle all day, at healthy 6+ yards a pop. So Schottenheimer calls cute reverses here and there, only to stall the drives. (i.e. Jets were in Giants territory, with 2nd and 4 - then reverse is called, and the rest is history - 99 yard TD by Cruz immediately after that stupidity is a bonus.) I understand you have a man crush for Schottenheimer, but that aside, that dude is a total moron.
why would we grind out the clock in that situation? If we do snad don't score a TD the game is over, passing and not working the clock gives us at least 2 possessions to have a chance to win rather than just 1.
This is a misleading stat-- it's still not a positive sign, but none of these other jokers actually played the last 3 seasons. So really it's comparing 3 seasons vs. 2 (Bradford). Or in the case of Gabbert and Clauson, 3 vs. 1. Like I said, still not a positive sign, but not exactly an honest comparison. >>Fewest QB Points Above Average Last 3 Seasons Mark Sanchez -70.1 Jimmy Clausen -62.3 Blaine Gabbert -57.3 JaMarcus Russell -57.1 Sam Bradford -57.1
You try to score with no time left. You milk the 6 minutes and go 50 yards and end the game. You put yourself in 4 down territory doing this to so even more of an opportunity to run the ball and milk that clock. You score with 1 minute or less and it is successful.
No you don't, you give yourself as many opportunities as possible. You always try to score and in a perfect world you'd like a 6 min drive but that's a difficult thing to do. We tried to score, it didn't work. If we ran 2 or 3 times and still failed everyone would be complaining that we ran and wasted time doing so.
Are you that stupid? Seriously? Let me explain what your thinking is supposed to be like this: 1. If Jets score too quickly, it's over. This is the hierarchical order of things to happen: - Jets scoring with one big play for a TD: this is a disaster. Giants only need FG to win, so moving the chain about 50 yards (i'm being generous with this amount too) will give them a chance to win at the end. And once Giants get the ball back, THEY will make sure they grind the time out as much as they can, knowing they only need FG. - Jets scoring after moderate (burning about 2 minutes) amount of time: not much changes. The crux of the problem here is that Giants can go for either FG or TD - meaning, Jets must protect BOTH. 2. If Jets fail to score TD or score FG: It's over too. - at 2 minute warning, Giants 1st and 10, with no Jets time out: Game is over. You can't salvage this. - at 2 minute warning, Giants 1st and 10, and Jets somehow saved all of their 2 time outs at that moment: Now Jets will have to march down good 80 yards with about 1:10 on the clock with no time out. Jets failed to score in that situation with 2 time outs before, so what makes you think Jets will be able to pull this off now? 3. The only logical thing for the Jets at that moment is to not give Giants any chance whatsoever to score - that is, by scoring AND burning the clock at the same time. Passing at that moment 1. has too much risk involved and 2. fails to burn the clock. I would understand if the primary call was some underneath receiver to move the ball. It wasn't. It is not even like Giants were stout up the middle either - and they WERE defending passes. So Schottenheimer dialed up passes after passes after passes in that situation. You cannot defend that moron in that situation. 4. Last, but not the least, I do not blame Schottenheimer for botched run attempts or botched pass attempts - like when Wayne Hunter fucks things up or Mulligan decides to draw a flag or Sanchez makes poor throw in otherwise well executed plays. When I can understand what the intention was, and when I see that it was a sound approach, only foiled by the poor execution, I don't blame Schottenheimer. (You must have seen plenty of me defending Schottenheimer for the run calls and pass calls and whatnot by now.) It's just these inexcusable stupidity he has up in his sleeves that I have no mercy for. If Jets called runs and still failed (I don't see that happening but let's just say that happened) - then 1. it would have killed the clock at least and 2. if at all, I wouldn't be blaming Schottenheimer for the play call.
First off, stop acting like a child w/ the childish name calling. It's easier said than done, if the Jets could do whatever they want then they would have had a comfortable lead at that point. To all of a sudden expect them to A) milk the clock and B) score a TD is asking a lot. We got the ball at midfield w/ 5:39 to play, we failed and punted. We then got the ball back w/ plenty of time to score and again failed but 2 possessions is better than one. If we milk off 2-3 mins and fail to score on that possession from midfield then we have no second chance.
You're a smart football guy, Zach, but you condescend waaaay too much, even to some pretty good posters. I understand that the consensus other site opinion is undoubtedly 100% correct in all matters of New York Jets football, but just watch your tone is all, thanks.
1. I didn't say any choice was an 'easy' choice - both are difficult options. Just, running the ball up the middle a) had a history of success during that game b) keeps the clock moving c) MOVES THE BALL. Ok. Here is the breakdown. Giants DTs do not stop the run up the middle that well. Their starting MLB went down to injuries during the season - so the middle of their defense was rather BEGGING to be challenged. And obviously Schottenheimer avoids the defensive weakness like a plague. That has been his trademark during his Jets OC tenure all along anyway, so what should that be any exception now? 2. It's not about whether it is easy or not; passing call at that moment is a WRONG call. 3. If Schottenheimer didn't get cute during the course of the game (like that stupid reverse call sprinkled all over the places) maybe Jets won't be down by 6 at that moment either.
Just his man-crush for Schottenheimer was getting on my nerves - that's all. I'll watch the tones from now on. (I did sign up for other site, but I rare go there so I don't see why you had to bring that stuff up.)
