ESPN Breakdown of Sanchez's struggles

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  1. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/39922/sanchezs-2011-struggles-under-microscope#comment

    Mark Sanchez committed 26 turnovers last season, the second-highest total in the NFL.

    But that didn't deter the New York Jets from giving their quarterback a contract extension for five total years for $58.25 million, with $20.5 million fully guaranteed in 2012 and 2013.

    The most visible of Sanchez’s highly-publicized struggles last season was his regression on downfield throws. In his rookie season in 2009, he completed under 33 percent of his passes that traveled 20 yards downfield. His completion percentage on such deep balls has dropped in each subsequent season since then.

    Sanchez’s struggles throwing deep may have led to a tighter rein on the quarterback. In his first two pro seasons, he averaged 9.2 air yards per attempt (seventh among 39 qualified quarterbacks).

    However, this year Sanchez averaged 7.8 air yards per attempt (25th among 34 qualified quarterbacks).

    Mark Sanchez had a 2.1 Total QBR on plays when he was under duress or hit while throwing last season, worst in the NFL among qualified quarterbacks.

    How can the Jets ensure that Sanchez can turn the tide and improve these key metrics next season? One option is running the ball more like they did in his successful rookie season.

    Jets Play Call Percentage
    Last 3 Seasons
    Run Pass
    2009 58.1 41.9
    2010 48.8 51.2
    2011 41.8 58.2

    The Jets ran the ball about 42 percent of the time last season, a far cry from the 58 percent they had en route to the 2009 AFC Championship Game.

    That diminished running threat seemed to impact their play-action game. Sanchez’s Total QBR on play-action plays was 63.0 in his first two seasons but that plummeted to 34.0 last season.

    There's been speculation that the Jets should get new wide receivers to help Sanchez's struggles. While Dustin Keller ranked sixth among tight ends in receiving yards (815), Sanchez especially struggled targeting his wide receivers.

    Last season, his 6.5 yards per pass attempt towards wideouts ranked 32nd in the league.

    >>Fewest QB Points Above Average
    Last 3 Seasons
    Mark Sanchez -70.1
    Jimmy Clausen -62.3
    Blaine Gabbert -57.3
    JaMarcus Russell -57.1
    Sam Bradford -57.1

    >> Points a QB contributes to team above what an average QB would in same number of plays.

    And now for possibly the scariest stat if you think that Sanchez's past could be a predictor of his future production during the span of this new contract.

    A quarterback’s Points Above Average (PAA) represents the number of points that a quarterback contributed to his team above what an average quarterback would contribute in the same number of plays.

    Since Mark Sanchez entered the league in 2009, no other quarterback has cost his team more points than if replaced by an average quarterback.

    -- Doug Clawson contributed to this report.
     
  2. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Lots of stats, most of them made up ESPN stats, and no mention of how losing Braylon and Cotch might have hurt Sanchez this year. Gotta love it.
     
  3. DemoIsland

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    Excellent article...not. Most of these writers are not going to write favorable things. Eli went through similar crap. (No I am not comparing the 2, just stating the comparable media treatment before Eli won the Super Bowl).

    His article itself is contradictory, not even going to bother posting more about this nonsense. Lets just wait for the new season to start.
     
  4. nyjunc

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    I love people laming the # of pass plays, maybe if they watched the games instead of looking at stat sheets they'd realize we were often behind and having to throw to catch up.

    espn tries to attach a stat to everything, this is why the average fan does not understand the game. None of us have any idea if there is a WR running a wrong route, a RB missing a blitz pickup, an OL missing their assignment yet they can make up stats to tell us who is and who isn't a good QB.

    You don't get to to 2 title games in 3 years w/ a bad QB, it's impossible to do especially w/ how tought he AFC has been. Maybe back in the days when the AFC stunk or earlier last decade when the NFC stunk but not in the years in the AFC Sanchez has been here.
     
  5. Organized Chaos

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    Mark had four games where he threw 40 or more passes:

    44 vs Dallas W 27-24
    44 vs Oakland L 24-34
    40 vs Denver L 13-17
    59 vs New York L 14-29

    We weren't that far behind in all of those games, and the Giants game in particular I remember the playcalling to be especially pass happy.

    To be fair to shotty, Sanchez was passing fairly accurately (around 60%) in all of those games except the giants game.
     
  6. DemoIsland

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    BTW, ESPN just did a 3 minute segment on Mark Sanchez' new contract on their 'Numbers Never Lie' show. Looks like some people on their network are reasonable. Didn't hear any bashing, all agree the contract and deal was a smart move. So there ya go - some for and some against.
     
  7. Jersey Joe 67

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    People seem to be caught up in the $50 millon # for Sanchez. It's only $2+ million of guaranteed $ more then he was making in his original contract frees up cap space for us to be bigger players in FA and still we have the opportunity to ncut ties with him after 2013 without much cap damage.
    I think Tanny did a great job.

    That being said, I support Sanchez and plan on him succeeding.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Dallas: we trailed 10-0 in the 2nd, 17-7 at half, 24-10 in the 4th
    Oak: we trailed most of the 2nd half and went down 2 TDs in the 4th.
    Den: LT was out and Shonn Greene got hurt,
    NYG: we trailed all 2nd half and we had a million penalties that constantly put us in 2nd and 3rd and longs- passing situations.
     
  9. displacedfan

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    If I remember correctly we were down by 1 going into the second half in the Giants game? Not necessarily a panic we need to throw to get into this game situation.

    Denver game we still had McKnight and Powell and we know there is set number of plays with Kerley in the wilcat.

    The other two we definitely needed to throw, I don't think he had to pass so much in the Denver/NYG games.
     
  10. ScotsJet

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    Powell was horrendous in Denver and McKnight not much better. We had nothing but the pass.

    I actually think penalties are a hugely underrated factor in the assessments of our offensive struggles.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    We were down 3, very manageable but we were constantly in 2nd and 3rd and longs due to penalties.

    McKnight and Powell have not proven they can be effective RBs in this league, they combined for 23 carries for 70 yds(3 YPC).
     
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    Not a bad article, but they did not mention Sanchez losing two reliable targets, Cotch and Braylon.
     
  13. displacedfan

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    True, but that still does not have to account for 60+ pass attempts. Look at this, first drive of the second half down 3.

    Pass, pass, pass, punt.

    Next drive down 3.. Run for 5. Run for 8. Run for 4. Sack for -6. Incomplete, punt.

    Still down 3. Then run for 7. Run for 6. Then Jets backed up to 1st and 15. Then 2nd and 18 and then 3rd and 18, punt. First drive of the 2nd half with penalties.

    Still down 3. Greene for 13 yards. Incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, punt. No penalties.

    Jets then went down by 2 score. I see two drives that were all passes for no reason. I also see a run game that went for 5,8,4,7,6,13. But then once down 2 scores heading into the 4th you have to start passing more. I disagree with the play selection while we were down 3 the whole time. One drive with penalties putting them into a 1st and 15 and 2nd and 18. Besides that there were no 3rd and long except for calling 2 passes before that third down getting 0 yards.

    Because they have not proven they can be effective makes no sense as an excuse to throw. Every draft pick has not proven they can be a success until you use them. The Jets were also at a point in the Denver game where there was no reason to be throwing. They run the ball, run the clock, and probably the game never has to come down to that last drive.
     
  14. Br4d

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    Sanchez had something like 30 dropbacks in the 1st half of the Giants game against one of the best pass rushes in the NFL. I don't even need to bash that. It speaks for itself.
     
  15. RevisIsland18

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    amen to this...again next year he'll have a new set of receivers...sigh...
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    again, we were constantly in 2nd and 3rd and longs. We definitely passed a bit too much but we needed to pass a ton that game b/c of the situations the O was constantly in thanks to an insane amount of penalties.
     
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    So if there is a category in where you're telling me a fat slob that is out of the league is actually better than a current NFL QB, you can go fuck yourself.
     
  18. Br4d

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    No, no, no, we didn't need to pass that much because we were in 2nd and 3rd and longs. The game was a ONE SCORE GAME for most of the game. You get in lots of 2nd and 3rd and longs against a pass rush like that and you have to run the ball a lot more than the Jets did because otherwise that pass rush just gleefully rubs it's hands together and yells fresh meat on the way in.

    The Jets have had lots of games where they have been in lots of 2nd and 3rd and long situations. Only the idiot calling plays last year had his shaky QB throw the ball 75% of the time in response.

    There's absolutely no defending the game plan and the play calls and that's true no matter what you think about Mark Sanchez in general. If the Jets had Peyton Manning back there having a bad game they wouldn't have called as many passes as Schotty called for Sanchez.

    The only explanations that work here are that Shonn Greene was so hurt by that point that he couldn't take more carries, which looks like utter bullshit given he ran some in the 2nd half. Or you can wonder what Schotty was thinking as his job with the Jets hung by a thread at that point. Desperate people do desperate things, even things that are hugely counter-productive.
     
  19. Burnz

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    but there will be training camp this year.... year 3 with holmes year 2 with kerley 5 with DK I think they will mesh better then last year especially with OTAs and training camp
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    also don't forget that after we went down 10 pts late in the 3rd we had the bulk of our passes. Afetr NYG went up 17-7 we threw it 25 times. 25 of the 59 pass attemtps came in the 4th qtr.
     

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