What could have happened in the past month to instill such confidence in Ducasse? If the Jets had any confidence in him a month ago, they could have avoided guaranteeing two and a half mil to make Hunter the untradeable object. Trying to trade him now is a joke. Not sure where your logic is coming from.
Can you give another possible reason for why Tanny picked up Hunters contract and then puts him on the trading block? Im not saying that scenario is true at all, maybe Tanny felt there are more options in FA then he did previously, but it is plausible though...
He likes Hunter's embarrassed post-sack smile? Hunter has pictures of his wife fornicating with a goat? The move makes no sense at all from a performance perspective from either Hunter or Ducasse. The only reason there can be is a financial one, although without all of the facts of Hunter's contract, we aren't privy to why. Outside of a solid financial reason, it can only be incompetence. On the outside, maybe he got wind off Eric Winston's impending release and realized the giant error he made in early February.
So why is your assumption that it's incompetence when it is clearly just some financial reason that we aren't privy to? Then maybe a couple options that he didn't think would be there (or couldn't count on being there more accurately) open up and he's trying to see if he can get a little something to clear the guy out?
He could have cleared the guy out a month ago and it wouldn't have cost the Jets a dime. What do you think they can get for a player like Hunter in trade? If he gets anything, it will be a 7th round pick, maybe a 6th from the dumbest GM on the planet. No pick that late is worth eating a 2.45 million dollar cap hit.
I don't think that it is, and I don't think that you think I do either. There can be private caveats with Hunters contract that changes that price, there are also other factors at play. Knowing he has a thin FA market to work with and having several other positions of need to address as well is the first factor that comes to mind. If I were Tanny I for one would surely feel very hesitant about committing a lot of resources to RT when I just got done investing a 2nd round pick into a project that WASN'T SUPPOSED to make any meaningful impact at all until year 3 at the minimum. Well it's year 3 now, and it's time for the kid to shit or get off the pot now. Not yesterday. Your argument is a strong one, it might even be the right one. It goes: But fuck Wayne Hunter. Wayne Hunter fucking sucks and should not be paid a single dollar to wear a Jets jersey on general and any other principle. But you and I know it's not that simple. Tanny is considering replacing a shitty Wayne Hunter with a shitty unknown FA for almost as much money if not more with the dearth of choices available. Not all that appetizing. Sure, he can blow his FIRST round pick this year on a RT. That's like admitting that Ducasse was a bust THE SECOND AFTER YOU DRAFTED HIM. With their 2nd round pick the Jets select Vladimir Ducasse...cut to Tanny's press conference: I'm a fucking retard and I never should have drafted this kid. I'll probably just wait a couple years and figure out who I really want to block on the right side. Have a nice day everyone. He's probably sitting there thinking about all this a month ago and he goes..."hey who knows maybe some idiot will be stupid enough to actually give me a 7th rounder for his contract, if someone comes available that would look like pretty sweet deal indeed...especially since I'm not fucked up the ass if someone doesn't come available if I cut his ass like I want to.". Being GM isn't an easy game...and right now the issue of RT is surely on a very short list of what keeps Tanny up most at night. I feel like he's doing the best he can here and is making the best of a bad situation. Find me a team that doesn't have one of those.
It's mind boggling to me that the Jets didn't cut Hunter, they could basically get the same production out of a 3rd or 4th rounder at what...a quarter of the 2.45 million that Hunter gets?
That's a compelling point I'll give you that. Do me one better though. Name me about 3 right tackles in this upcoming draft that can be had in rounds 3/4 specifically that will step in from year one day one and you have a high degree of confidence that they will perform to Wayne Hunter's level in a man blocking scheme. Because if there's any development period at all, then that isn't a viable option in the least.
Thin FA market and insurance plan. I have seen that one made before. I think ole Br4dw4y argued with a lightning policy, and I'll go one further. You don't pay 2.45 mil for an insurance plan that only covers lightning strikes on the the 3rd Tuesday in February at 4:15pm. If there wasn't a surefire RT starter out there, there are certainly better insurance policies to back up the Hodor Ducasse Right Tackle Project than Wayne Hunter, and for far less than two and a half million dollars. The only thing that makes less sense than not cutting Hunter at the beginning of February is trying to trade his worthless ass right before FA. Tanny may be a scheister in negotiations, but unless he has some Kaiser Sauze master mindfuck superplan waiting in the wings, he's going to look like a dipshit for this particular decision.
I will take a sack of potatoes. Atleast defenders would have to run around it as opposed to straight through it
I don't know anything about the mid level prospects, my point about the 3rd and 4th round rookie isn't about endearment re. the depth of OL prospects in the draft. It's more of an indictment towards Hunter. Why should we assume he's going to do well in a man blocking scheme? Not aware of the type of blocking scheme(s) they used in his other stops but it's not like he was setting the league on fire with his stellar play before the 2011 season where the blocking scheme stumped him to no end.
The only scenario worse than keeping Hunter is cutting him leaving us with ZERO right tackle and no money to go get us one. and the $2.5M probably makes Hunter the lowest paid staring offensive lineman in the NFL.
This is the crux of the problem. 2.5M isn't really starting RT money. Not to mention that there are no starting RT's around and plenty of teams that are looking for them. So all of a sudden if you're trying to bid on even a marginally acceptable backup type band aid and stick him in as the immediate starter you're going to be paying more than 2.5 almost by definition. If you're planning to pay 2.5 for some guy that probably doesn't suck quite as bad as Hunter but still clearly sucks I'd say the unknown factor becomes more prominent but seriously who cares? One Hunter is as good as the other in my book. Doesn't this just bring us back to the whole behind closed doors financial argument? It's like everytime you bring it up you get more and more frustrated just thinking about it, and then you forget that you might just not really know what's going on behind the scenes on this one. It could be Hunter's contract, it could be in-house intel, it could be many things. The only way I can really prove this out to you is if Hunter doesn't make an ass of himself next year or actually does get his contract picked up or something of the like. I'm just not prepared to say that Tanny just flushed away the 2.5M on this one like you and everyone else seems to be so 100% sure decided about already. It's barely March for christ's sakes. Give the guy a chance before you jump all over his neck is all I'm saying. I mean yeah I'm with you superficially which was my knee-jerk reaction to your post but unfortunately this isn't one of those things that you can just say "yeah man I mean I'm sure they're out there and all that even though I don't know who they are." I mean you're essentially indicting your GM and you're offering this reasoning as the coffin in the nail of the Wayne Hunter chronicles. But if the guy just isn't there in the 3rd or 4th this exact year then you're just not saying anything. You can't just say "oh well we'll just get some kid that is going to be a little overmatched at first worst case" if our one specific guy isn't there when we need him to be. There have to be several very useful options projected to go in that range and if they aren't there than it just doesn't mean anything.
I theorized a very far-fetched hypothetical about some unicorn clause in the contract saving the day for a stupid personnel decision, and for some HOMER reason you keep latching onto it. Guess what? Prince Charming isn't going to charge in and save the day from Tanny's stupid decision about Wayne Hunter. It's really not that hard to understand. If I am wrong, and Prince Charming gallops in with that unicorn horn stuffed up his pucker, wailing like a banshee with pure contract-killing joy, I will be the first to admit it. But right now, all we have is reality. Stop latching onto fantasy.
Pretty sure that Vlad's Couch isn't in Boston. He's from Stamford via port au Prince and lives in Jersey I believe.
It's about percentages. If there's a 25% chance there is a contract clause that's 25% of the time that you say he fucked up that you're wrong. If there's another 25% of the time that they have a damn good reason to expect that he will perform up to the caliber of a 2.5M player in a man blocking scheme that's another 25% that you're wrong once he proves it out on the field. There might be another 10 or 15% chance that his on field performance while not up to 2.5M standards performs better than the other available options in FA and Tanny was concerned about that possibility becoming a reality if he cut him. The point is that this, like everything else, is too soon to make your mind up on. I'm sure you pound newbies over the head whenever you feel like it explaining that they're in no position to judge this move from where they're sitting right now. Well I'm not going to tell you that you're in no position to judge, that would be foolish. I'm just going to say that there is a very real chance that it proves out that this wasn't a mistake at all. Almost equally likely is that he made the best choice out of a host of bad choices in this instance...or maybe the 2nd or 3rd best choice which isn't as big of a mistake as you're making it out to be. Wait a year, then bring this post back up and call me a homer when Wayne Hunter shits the bed again and Ducasse can't hold the ship together. Until the disaster hits though, you're just a punter same as me.
Yeah. There's also a 25% chance that this part of your post was typed after you sucked a bowl of wet up your right nostril. I'll disregard. I'm going by the information available, not reach-worthy hypotheticals designed to give me a false boner. If some clause, as very unlikely as it seems, pops out like a day-saving jack in the box to explain this befuddling personnel move that has no real explanation other than the word MISTAKE in bright red neon letters, I'll be happier than a pig in shit. But the only evidence we have is that the Jets didn't cut Hunter, allowed his 2.45 MILLION DOLLAR BASE SALARY to kick in, and then a month later, days before free agent career backup tackles that don't stand there and watch pass rushers fly by them all day long to smash their QB to a twisted heap come available for less than 2.45 MILLION DOLLARS, and there is no explanation offered from anyone, financial or otherwise. Like, what percentage would you give that "very real chance?" It wouldn't be 25% by... chance, would it? Your argument is not based in reality. It's the argument that a 12 year old would fabricate. Wait, since I posted in that other thread, it occurs to me that Jetfanmack posted here at age 12 and I can't remember him ever posting such nonsense. I'll give you the credit of a 10 year old. Wait a year. A YEAR???? We saw the disaster. It happened. Over and over again. This guy fucking sucks. I don't need repetition to understand the evidence. I've seen this shit. It doesn't end well.
