No way is he getting more than 5 mil a year, his annual wont be as high but he'll get something nice guaranteed.
The franchise number for a DT is 7 million this season. If the Jets gave Pouha 3 years with 7 million up front and then 1.5, 4.5, 8 he counts 4 million against the cap this year, 7 million against 2013 and obviously a cut or renegotiation for 2014. Pouha gets 8.5 million this year instead of the 7 million the tag would have given him. it's a win-win. The Jets just didn't want to have Pouha hit the cap at 7 million this season as the tag would have done. I'm guessing they did something like I suggested above although it will have extra bonuses worked in instead of straight salary in year two and three to make it confusing. The Jets contracts almost always do.
If the franchise # for a dt is 7 million (its actually closer to 8 million) the Jets would be smarter to just give Pouha the tag than give him a 3 year contract where hes avging 7 million per year. Especially since in your scenario if we cut Pouha for 2014 he would of still got 13 million over 2 years.
This is incorrect. With the scenario Br4dw4y just laid out (which is par for the course for NFL contracts) the signing bonus is split evenly against the cap over the life of the contract (3 years) so year 1 the cap hit would be 1.5 million (as an example) plus 7 million divided by 3 (in total roughly 4 million against the cap). That cuts the cap hit in half vs using the franchise tag. Next year the cap hit would jump to about 7.5 and then 11 for the third year. Players USUALLY get some kind of contract movement in the last year of their deal anyway in order to guarantee more money (if not cut outright). These numbers are all theoretical of course.
what the hell does this even mean? he is a proven player that we are keeping. there is no wait and see.
The other issue though is that Pouha wanted a 3 year contract and if the Jets gave him the tag there was a risk he would have held out and/or kicked off about it which is the last thing the Jets wanted or needed with one of the few really good locker room presences that we have. We are trying to steady the ship and if we have to pay a bit more (in relative terms) to do that then so be it.
Oh I know but the entire bonus is guarenteed no ? So even if we cut him for the 3rd year, we would still end up paying his bonus for that year. So 1.5 million salary + 4.5 million salary + 7 million bonus over 3 years = 13 million for playing in just 02 + 03 And by the time Pouha is 36 we can't really extend him (nor would I have any idea why we would want to) so we would likely end up cutting him outright while still owing his signing bonus
Lets say for example Pouha received a 6 million bonus. If they cut him year 3 then the Jets are only on the hook for 2 million of that bonus. If they cut him next year then its 4 million.
The whole bonus is guaranteed though. I understand that its spread over 3 years (so youd be paying 2 million each year) And with the previously mentioned contract Pouhas # for his age 35-36 season would be so absurd that we would be FORCED to cut him. So we would be paying him his 2012 + 2013 salarys (1.5 million + 4.5 million) plus 7 million spread out over 3 years. So Pouhas total cap hit to our team would be 13 million, over 3 years, for only playing 2 seasons. Thats not exactly a smart contract
In my scenario the Jets pay Pouha 8.5 million this year while incurring a cap hit of about 4 million. In the franchise him scenario they pay him 7.003 million, which I think is tha cap number although that's DT's - they didn't have a separate listing for NT's in the list I saw. They have a cap hit of whatever the number is. For this year the Jets want Pouha's cap number to be as low as possible. Pouha however is going to want to get paid at least the amount of the franchise tag in cash for the season and probably a bit more than that. That he gave up free agency suggests that the Jets accommodated his desire to get paid now.
I don't get how you're figuring this. Once this season is done, his 2012 numbers are off the books - period. Let's say a worst case scenario happens and Pouha's skillset simply vanishes this year - he plays so bad that the Jets have no choice but to cut him this upcoming offseason. The only thing the Jets would have to absorb against the cap is the remaining bonus - which would be 4 million using the above example. They wouldn't have anything from 2012 or any of his salary money charged against the cap in that scenario.
Who ever said his agent didn't want him to wait? People have to realize that a agent is nothing but a employee of that player. The player runs the show not the agent.
In that case we would of ended up paying 8.5 million (7 mill bonus + 1.5 m salary) for him to play 1 season for us, see what im sayin ? Its like in the above scenario we either end up paying Pouha 8.5m for 1 year, 13m for 2 years, or 21 million for 3 years.
The hard money paid is not as important as the cap charge. The cap charge is what dictates the talent level and the competition. Using Br4dw4y's proposed contract numbers Pouha isn't an incredibly huge risk for the Jets. If the whole entire contract is guaranteed that's another story...
No we need actual stats like tackles and pressures before we can be happy about this. And a cholesterol test.
Sweet. Two or three years of Pouha and then Ellis will hopefully be ready to fill his enormous shoes.
Is cap not directly correlated to hard money paid ? Thus the more hard money paid the greater the cap hit ? IE we cut Pouha after 1 season in that Scenario His cap hit for 2012 is something like 3.83million 2013 (not on roster) 2.33 million 2014(not on roster) 2.33 million Since even with a prorated bonus the money is still guaranteed so all future years have a cap hit ?
The cap hit each year is prorated bonus + salary + incentives. The salary is not guaranteed so if the player is cut that charge comes off the cap hit. If the player remains on the roster then more than likely they are worth the salary and the cap charge.
Thats what I thought, so due to the 7 million dollar bonus, that scenario really wouldnt be a good contract for us at all. Eitherway I expect the real numbers to be much lower
