Apparently, someone wasn't paying attention when offenses were picking apart the Jets in the middle of the field. Not surprised, since most of someone's arguments seem to be a result of not paying attention. Cornerbacks are too expensive and too easy to throw away from to be handed such a high level of importance. I'm hoping Rex has a plan for that, because right now his master plan looks like a runny egg.
Major difference between Revis and Mangold is that, Mangold is crucial on both run downs and pass downs, but Revis is only effective on (1) passing downs and (2) the QB actually decides to throw the ball deep. Guess why TEs were getting a lot of passes coming their way. Can Revis stop that? There is a reason why abyzmul said a FS at Revis's level of play is untradeable, but a CB of his height sure can be traded. That said, if Jets do tag along with healthy Manning, and off-load Sanchez (let's say it happens somehow) then that will boost the value of Revis that much, as then the offense will basically force the other offense to score TD, and Jets can get by with average run defense. (and they are better than average in that dept) (Recall how putrid Colts defense was exposed to be, once Manning was done for the season; that defense still could function like a normal unit that it isn't under Manning's disguise.) So... it all comes down to this: shoot for Manning and take the chance for the next few years then crumble down the road, or build an effective system first (unfortunately Jets have never done this - which I hope changes this year.) and sustain high level of success year in and year out.
A lot of that is true. The Jets have NO ANSWER for good tight ends or slot receivers...none. Opposing teams figured that out early last year and Wilson? Ha!
Wilson did a solid job in 2011. Someone else wasn't paying attention. The problem is the coverage provided by LBs and safeties. It sucked. Even before Jimmy got hurt.
Part of that problem with this is that the front seven sucked big donkey balls. There is a reason why it is hard to throw over the middle - so many bodies waiting to swat the balls down, for instance. Did you see the Jets DL swatting the ball down? They do not clog the passing lane, nor do they contest the passing lane with timed jumps and swats, and last, but not the least they don't even provide valid pass rushing threat. What good were they? (Yeah, of course. But this glaring problem is just my overreaction for the adequate front seven work while Sanchez sucked to no end, right?)
Listen Einstein, when you trade the player, the only thing the new team has to pay for are base salaries and any bonuses due in the future. When the Jets paid Revis, we paid him $18 mil in signing bonus that was spread out over the life. All the remainder of that money will get accelerated and we will end up with a giant cap hit. Trading him away may save us a couple mil of cap hit, but its not going to be material enough when the hit is around $20mil anyways.
Agree, Revis for the 2nd overall pick(RG3) and a 3rd rounder. Sanchez to Seattle for their 3rd round this year and 1st next year.
the pats got into the superbowl with 4 nobodys in their secondary, but a superstar qb. so, you are right. however, i would not trade revis unless i was sure i can't re-sign him or i expect him to spring another holdout.
under buddy ryan, the jets won a super bowl with two ordinary corners and one really good safety. meanwhile, they had a superstar qb. they also had a good pass rush and linebackers who could tackle. this year's team lacks some of those elements...too many. tanny as a general manager couldn't carry weeb's lunch bag.
Speaking of trading, I just read the Manish article on the sidebar about Tanny attempting to trade Wayne Hunter. Jesus Christ, for what? A steaming bag of dog shit? Who would give up anything for him?
I think that he does. Rex came into town and I imagine him asking himself how he wanted to approach improving the defense over the next 5 years or so before he made the first move so he would have a clear plan. When you're asking yourself that kind of question it becomes clear that there is only one logical answer to start with. The identity of the defense is Darrelle Revis. Revis completes an assignment that can't even be marginally carried out to the same extent by anybody else in the league. The defense must be designed around Revis and his unique abilities. Anything else will create wasted resources by definition. I know you like to point out how CB is less impactful than other positions, and I think it's justified when you do, but the fact is that we don't have a young D Ware on our team or a young Polamalu. We have a young Revis. When you want to improve a defense that you've decided should revolve around Revis you start by adding the right complementary role-players to maximize the impact of your man. The obvious continuation is that Revis isn't worth much if your other CB's are for shit and they can just complete to 2's and 3's all day. So Rex came in he said ok guys step one get a couple competent corners in town. And this year he can finally check step one off the box. Wilson proved himself. He's developing at the very least like a solid second round pick, and if he keeps improving he could well turn into that elusive first round pick that you'd take again if you could do it all over. Then last year he says ok you know damn well where we're going now. First two picks to the DL and give those boys a couple years to mature and get acclimated so the defense is running on all cylinders starting the season after next (from today). Then we start bringing in the role-players that you can draft and make an impact from day one and finally plugging in the remaining holes however you can in this achingly cap restricted world. So now Rex is sitting here and he's saying to himself ok phase three. Freshen up that LB corps and make sure that someone starts getting after the passer. Next most pressing need after that is to get a safety that can contain TE's. If we hit on those acquisitions this year it's only going to be a matter of drafting wisely and replacing guys as they outlive their usefulness or their paycheck one or two at a time which is entirely manageable. If and when that happens, everybody is going to see what Revis' true impact is for years and years to come. The problem is that in a defense with glaring holes Revis just isn't all that useful. Too many other ways to get beat. But in a defense that has been intelligently designed around the man as it's clear to me at least that Rex and Tanny are doing...I think it will become clear that Revis can and will make almost every bit as much of an impact as any of those guys that you mention as being more valuable. Well they are more valuable. They don't need as many pieces around them to realize their impact so you can dedicate resources on the other side of the ball and still have a top unit on defense. You can get away with having a gap at CB2 or CB3 with a DWare and that adds value too. But Revis in a complete defense will essentially make that defense god just the same as DWare et al will. Most teams in the league rely on their #1 and maybe one other target with 1-2 other guys that are nothing special but get their catches and yards when the main threats attract more defensive resources. With Revis and a strong defensive backfield and a front 7 that brings pressure, you never have that situation of accounting for #1. So #1 is gone and Wilson locks down #2 in most cases, (I'm assuming he's our guy long term over Cromartie and will be a big upgrade in that spot once he matures in 1-2 years then beyond). Pressure is coming and you better figure out what the fuck you want to do in a hurry because your go-to targets don't exist and the defense is swarming. Any team that doesn't have a top 10 QB will be beat before they start and the rest are gonna have a lot of long, long days. What happens if we draft another diamond in the course of replacing our main defensive positions of need from here on? I hate to talk about it but seriously think about it. A gem safety or passrusher to complement Revis is a very scary thing to think about. Could happen this year or next. He's talking about how Wilson was solid last year...as in he started getting his head around so he didn't draw all the PI's again. How he didn't get embarrassed most of the time by plenty of solid slot receivers and roving around covering some other guys effectively as well at times. He looked damn solid for a second year CB. I'm sure you're getting ready to whine about this play he gave up or that play...but seriously who gives a shit that has a clue. It's to be expected from a 2nd year player and he's only going to get better. We still don't know what this kid's ceiling is and anyone that pretends that his ceiling can't be pretty damn high has no idea what they're talking about at all. Yay somebody that understands explained the fundamental problem to everyone that doesn't seem to know that the world runs on money. If you don't know what the money situation is, you don't know what's a pipe dream and what isn't. I like pipe dreams occasionally, especially when they're caused by the pipe and not some SOJF clowns, but I think everyone that has posted in this thread in support of actively trying to pawn off Revis needs to read this last quote over and over again all day. Post it on your fucking head if need be. For someone to be stupid enough to make us to want to trade DARRELLE FUCKING REVIS AWAY FROM OUR FOOTBALL TEAM...I REPEAT....AWAY...NOT TOWARDS...AWAY...that human being would need to offer something to us that we feel is worth the $20 million dollars that we have dead in this guy if we ship him off. No not just the $20M though. You have to kick in another 5-10 million worth of equity just to make up for the chances that the 20 million dollars you shipped off which you know is worth its weight in solid gold didn't just get exchanged for 20 million dollars of busted draft picks and guys that just don't pan out as well in our system as theirs. You need that just to account for the bust factor of your trade. NOT DONE YET. THEN....THEN....THEN....you need the guy to be retarded enough to give you even more so that you won't be indifferent towards the trade and you'll actually WANT to do it. But this guy would have to be retarded already to give us enough to even make us indifferent towards the trade. Then you're asking for ride the short bus, get fed by a nurse with a straw, daily sponge baths retarded on top of the previous retarded to make us actually want to do it. Is someone in the NFL still that retarded? I don't know. Do you? If you do, I suggest you start a Facebook page or something. Solicit them that it would be really smart if they exercised their retardation muscle as much as possible on Revis so that they can have the best CB in the league. That and about $35 million dollars worth of present and future resource depletions to guarantee that you can NEVER create a complete enough defense around him to make Revis at all useful to your organization. I don't know...just like piggyback the solicitation on the back of the Joseph Kony '12 youtube video or something. Grassroots baby!
What he meant to say is: The Jets will not trade Revis in the immediate future. Because he's really good. And any trade might not be worth it. The end.
That is the shorter and better route in retrospect. And this is how I learned not to quote 3 posts if they're going to each be long winded!
To sum up, since imo Revis is not going anywhere, the real issue is how to better get the rest of the D to complement his strengths. Imo the starting point is to get a young ROLB who is fast and can rush the passer, then upgrade safety, and eventually continue to upgrade overall speed at the linebacker position. Zach made an excellent point above when he noted that the Jet D has been attacked more frequently with running plays than it would be if the O were scoring more often, and if the O were scoring more often then Revis's importance would go even higher, since opponents would have to pass more to stay in the game. Let's hope the Jets improve the O this coming year, and Revis will then pay even more dividends.
