Why would Peyton choose ny?

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Do you want Manning in Green and White?

Poll closed Mar 13, 2012.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. The fact of the matter is Holmes has absolutely no history prior to this past season as a locker room problem. Bradwaysuks was just making crap up.
     
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    Double post. Sorry
     
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  3. Big Blocker

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    nfl.com lists the Jet OL as 13th in sacks given up for the regular season in 2011. I have no idea where you got fifth, but the sack is a stat that does not reflect purely on the OL, since the decisionmaking and play of the Qb, HOLDING ON TO THE BALL TOO LONG just lke we saw Sanchez do plenty of ever since he came to the Jets, obviously is a factor.

    I never said it was the ONLY factor, but clearly sacks is a stat that the Qb shares responsibility with the OL on.

    Qb hits is a better stat for judging OL performance, although even that is a stat the Qb has some involvement in. But if a Qb is hit but got the ball away, that is to his credit. Isn't it?

    This should be beyond debate, imo.

    Anyway, an OL that gives up less hits than 21 other teams in the league is an above average OL when it comes to pass protection. End of story.
     
  4. NYJ55NJ

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    I wouldn't want to play in the same city where my younger brother just won the super bowl.. that's annoying to live up to..

    from peytons standpoint that is
     
  5. Martin is the man

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    Best post in the forum by far!
     
  6. Play Like A Jet

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    Would it be possible for the Jets to restructure Sanchez's contract, hand the reigns over to Manning for a few years and then let Mark continue to come into his own under one of the best? Just a thought...
     
  7. steves850

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    I don't care what stats say I watched the games and there was nothing above average about our OL's play....
     
  8. Barcs

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    Sanchez was the 5th most sacked QB in the league, despite escaping from a good amount of them.

    So why do you feel that hits are more reflective of the oline than sacks? Either way it's the same thing. Somebody gets through the line and puts pressure on Sanchez. The fact that we had more hits than sacks, shows that MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, he DID get the ball out of his hands on time, if not many more of those hits would have been sacks, plus they count late hits that weren't penalized as I mentioned before. Plus you discount the fact that Oline play has EVERYTHING to do with sacks, because if protection collapses early, Sanchez has less time to release the ball. It's not mostly on him. Like, are you really trying to say that a sack is not a hit, or is caused by some magical factor that has nothing to do with protection collapsing or people getting rocked in one on one matchups? Grading an offensive line based on just hits, is as nonsensical as grading a QB based on nothing but YPA. It doesn't come close to telling the full story. Sacks matter much more than hits in a game. You probably yelled at Sanchez when Hunter botched his protection and got Sanchez injured.
     
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  9. Don

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    All you had to do was watch Sanchez play last year to know for a fact that it wasn't only or even the Oline that caused most of the sacks last year. He couldn't look off a primary receiver, he couldn't stop dancing long enough to set his feet to actually throw the ball and never could he pick out a second or third receiver. Believe it or not there really is a reason the Jets are looking into whether to replace him or keep him now.
     
  10. steves850

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    I agree with this to an extent, Sanchez was dance happy but that might be more because he was so used to being chased from the lack of O line protection. Also the Jets would not be looking to replace him if it was Peyton F'n Manning....
     
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    I didn't say it was only the oline, just that the people putting the lionshare of blame on Mark Sanchez who improved his stats in almost every category, are being irrational.
     
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    Sanchez didn't get the happy feet until he was destroyed in the ravens game. Happy feet was not an issues for him until that point. That's over 2 seasons of good foot work. The reason they are looking at manning is because he's one of the best QBs to play the game. You make it sound like they're looking to replace him with anyone.
     
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    Sanchez needs to learn to throw the ball away when he has nothing open. The fact that our receivers could not get any separation is lost on most of his haters on this board.
     
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    Rex must be on to something with that "ground & pound" thing...
     
  15. Biggs

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    He played really well against the Pats, that's one out of 6 games. The Jets are in the process of dumbing down their O for the QB who can't read a D after 3 years.

    The Jets were 5 and 3 and Sanchez outright sucked to get us back to 500. We get to 8 and 5 and look like a lock for the playoffs and he was outright awful in the final 3 games.

    In those 5 losses he threw for about 56% 5.98 YPA 6TD and 9 INT's. He was awful.

    He has shown some flashes but mostly he has been asked to do very little in both 09 and 10 it was D and running the ball. He had a very good game against a weak Pats D in the playoffs, it was a standout performance but the reality is he has been been a mediocre manager who has shown flashes in breakdown situations. He has yet to show any consistency as a pocket passer and real leader of a top tier NFL team.

    He might but it's clear management and some team members have serious doubts about him.

    I want the kid to do well it benifits the team but I'm concerned with what I saw out of him last year. When he got punched in the mouth by the Ravens he never really recovered. He had a nice game against the Chargers and mailed in the rest of the season.
     
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  16. ScottFrost

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    I was never sold on Sanchez, even as the Jets were going to the AFC Championships...If Maning really wants to be a Jet,
    I say sign him...
     
  17. HOI

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    To me I just don't see the "fight" in mark. Of course Eli looks like a dope most of the time too but he has two SB.

    The shit that drives me nuts is when he fucks up he gets the puppy dog look. I want my QB to go tk the sideline after that and rally the troops and get ready to go back out there and rip shit up. Not just put on your jets beanie and go sit on the bench and mope.

    physically he's as tough as they come we can see that but the mental toughness is a huge problem at the moment.
     
  18. patfanken

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    ...and the delusion CONTINUUUUUUUUUES

    OK Milcus, I'll bite - You tell me what the Jets would have to give up to the Rams for the #2 pick in the draft. BTW- before you start, I'll give you hint. Go look up what the Giants traded to move up from the 4th spot to #1 in the Rivers/Manning trade......Then DOUBLE IT.

    Its NOT a false premise! There ISN'T any space for the Jets to fit Manning under the cap, unless he is willing to play for 10 cents on the dollar. I image the Jets "could" give him $25-30MM signing bonus on a 10 year contract, but I don't think the league would be to happy.

    The Jets barely did much but signing their own FA's last season, when they had much more room, comparitively. And as far as Manning preferring to play in NY is ludicrous. He played 14 years in a dome. Now at this stage in his care you think he wants to play in the wind and cold of the NJ swamps. :rolleyes: You think he want to play in an offense that is totally unsuited for him. You think he wants to throw to a diva like Holmes, and his #2 would be an unproven rookie.

    There are a dozen other teams who have more cap space and better teams to offer a guy like Manning. The Pats have a better shot at landing Manning.

    Put yourself in Manning's place and where would you want to play. Miami or NJ. Sorry guy, but I'm afraid he's going to south beach
     
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    Sorry BB but usually you are a bastion of good sense, but this point makes none at all.

    Why do you think Holmes was available for a dirty jock and a bag of socks after emerging as a superbowl MVP. He was available because he was a lockerroom cancer in one of the best lockerrooms in the league. They all celebrated when he was dumped in that trade to the Jets. They were thrilled to get rid of him.

    There isn't a single Steeler who was surprised when the cancer emerged again in NJ. Instead of trying to deny or spin it, you should just be thankful that you got 2 relatively decent years out of him before he destroyed your locker room. BTW- and while you're at it, toss out a thank you to your "genius" GM for signing this cancer to a contract that makes him impossible to get rid of.
     
  20. Phear

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    You love to make shit up don't you? As already clarified in the page before this, he was traded because he likes getting high and got caught and suspended. Rothlisberger raped another girl. They had to get rid of one of them to maintain their image and it wasn't going to be their franchise QB. There were never any reports about him being a problem in the locker room.

    To your post before this idiotic one.... If the Jets were to go after manning they would have the cap room to do it. If they want manning, Sanchez is gone which means they free up over 9 mil in space giving them over 17 mil in space, you don't think that's enough room for manning? Also your comments about the diva WR is funny considering the dolphins have Marshall. And why would their offense be better suited than the jets? Whatever team he goes to will run his offense.

    I don't even want manning, but I have to respond to your bullshit because you rarely post anything of substance.
     

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