Hahaha, I'm not sure if you're serious. I don't think Revis and Keller can get the #2 pick alone much less ALL THOSE picks. I love Revis but cmon son.
well i'm probably wrong in my thinking, but here is my logic: you can't guarantee that anyone you select in the first round will be a pro-bowler, especially a dual-threat QB. 2 first round picks, IMO, do not equal the value that a 27 year old all-world corner presents. Any trade involving Revis and that pick would be very complicated, and I'm probably expecting too much back here. But, to say that Revis+Keller are not enough to acquire the number 2 pick alone, but Cleveland's 2 first rounders are, is kind of like saying that Mo Claiborne and Coby Fleener are better/more valuable than Revis and Keller. I realize Darrelle's cap figure is huge, but he might be one of the 3 best corners of all time... and he's just entering his prime. I see this scenario as Dahl+#2 pick=Revis, and 4th rounder + 2nd round swap= Keller. Like I said, it's probably too much. But I disagree with the notion that it is way off.
Revis is arguably the most dominant defensive player in the league, I don't think it would be too far fetched for the Jets to get a late 1 for Revis straight up, even with his contract. Or a two from St. Louis in this case.
If you want a really wild trade scenario it goes something like this: The Jets trade Revis and Keller to St. Louis for the 2. They then trade the 2 to Cleveland for the 4, 22 and a 4th round pick next year. They take Blackmon on the 4 and are sitting on the 16 and the 22 to fill holes. In this scenario they basically make or break based on whether or not Kyle Wilson, their #1 pick 2 years ago can actually play on the outside. It would be a balls of steel move by the Jets designed to leverage Revis talent into three fills, Blackmon as the field stretching #1 - letting Holmes settle back into his killer underneath role, and grabbing two guys in the trenches one on each side of the ball on 16 and 22 to get strong again. If the Vikings pick turns into Blackmon the Jets get Matt Kalil, the 22 and the 4th next year for Revis and Keller. BTW, this is how you get out of the hole that trading up for 5 years has produced. It's how you get out of the hole that having your middle picks wash out while your edge picks produced creates.
And I guess if you think about it trading Revis and Keller for RGIII might not be out of the realm of possibility either if Tannenbaum has decided to move on from Sanchez.
I actually liked your other trade idea (as far fetched as it may be), but any trade designed to grab RGIII should involve trading Sanchez IMO. I think Tanny inquiring about this is probably just him finding out details of what teams are selling and how much teams are willing to pay for it. He loves to move around in the draft and that kind of information is going to be very valuable to him even if he's not really interested in moving up to #2.
It's beginning to appear as though Tannenbaum has given up on Sanchez though. If that's the case then he has a limited number of ways to address that problem this off-season. He's not going to get Peyton Manning to come to the Jets. That's just not a realistic endeavor as much as he may want it to be. He's not going to be able to sign Matt Flynn easily because the Fins will be in competition for Flynn and frankly it'd be a firing offense if he signed a late round pick to a big contract and the guy failed, after he'd traded up to draft a guy who failed. Woody would be very unhappy at how many million dollars Tannenbaum had spent fruitlessly on QB's at that point. The Jets spent a mint for an ultimately unsatisfying season out of Brett Favre also and gave up draft picks for the privilege. Flynn is not happening. After Luck and RGIII there's really no third QB prospect in this draft that the Jets could even conceive of putting behind center next year and competing. Really Luck and RGIII aren't likely to be all that competitive in their rookie years either but the rest of the rookie QB's are prospects. Greg McElroy would be a joke on the field next year unless the Jets talent was significantly upgraded. From what we've seen of him so far the guy is basically Chad-Lite and that's not likely to be the answer. A free agent like Kyle Orton would come in and probably do exactly what he has done elsewhere, which is to win some and lose some before the Jets move on, as several other teams have done. Chad Henne? Tony Sparano is the Jet's offensive coordinator instead of the Fins head coach largely because of Chad Henne. It really could come down to making a big splash in the draft, a Tannenbaum specialty, or bringing Sanchez back. If Tanny has moved on from Sanchez? Well...
Oh I think we're gonna see some changes...big changes..on offense.When his back is against the wall Tannenbaum is his most aggressive.With a change in offensive philosophy will come a change in offensive personnel. Will that include the Quarterback? We'll see.
Everything he's said recently suggests one of two things: either he is conducting a take-no-prisoners campaign to try to convince Sanchez to restructure or he has actually gotten to the stage of moving on and figuring out what is next. The problem I have with moving on is that Sanchez was not the biggest problem on the Jets last season. The biggest problem was that the offensive staff and Rex Ryan were running around like chickens with their heads cut off for most of the season and the odds on anybody being able to perform well in that situation were low. Consider the following: 1. There was no off-season to speak of. Just training camp. 2. The Jets were trying to integrate three new receivers into the offense, one of whom was acquired well after camp began. 3. Sanchez had not been particularly effective in a wide-open offensive set at any point in his two years with the team. Despite all this the Jets were going to go Air Schotty and actually did this in two of the first three games. Now add in that Wayne Hunter was demonstrably worse at RT than Damien Woody and Nick Mangold got hurt and missed several games. Add in the fact that the WR corps was visibly confused by the offense, running into each other repeatedly and barely getting out of each others way on passing plays when the ball was within a couple of yards of multiple receivers clustered on one side of the field. Add in the fact that the Jets immediate reaction to all of the above was to publicly state that they'd dial back the passing game some, which they did successfully as the Jets won 3 out of 4 with Sanchez throwing 26, 25, 33 and 28 passes in those games. And then the fuckers went right back to dialing up the passing game again as Sanchez threw 39 and 40 passes in back to back losses in a 4 day period including the game in Denver where if the Jets had just run the damn ball a bit more Tebow wouldn't have been in position to go 95 yards against the Jets for the win. Ok, so now pass attempts back down to 35, 32, 21, 26 and 3 Jets wins in 4 games to put them in a dominant position for the 6 seed and what happens? Brian Schottenheimer starts shitting plays out of his ears against the Giants and the Jets lose a close game. The problem on the Jets last year wasn't that Mark Sanchez isn't a capable QB. The problem on the Jets was that the offensive staff had as wildly inconsistent a season as can be imagined and probably cost the team 2 or 3 wins through inept game-planning and play-calling. Was Sanchez inconsistent? Of course he was. The rest of the fish rots also when the head rots.
This whole topic is making my head hurt. If the dolphins don't have enough fire power to get the 2nd overall pick then how would yhe jets at 16? Dozens of reasons why moving to the 2nd pick makes no sense. I cant believe there are 5 pages on this, please close this topic soneone.
You can't close the topic when it's based on an article that says that Mike Tannenbaum has inquired about the 2 pick. It may make your head hurt but if that's the case you should probably find another team to root for because the Jets have given a lot of people headaches over the years and that doesn't look like it's stopping just yet.
The way gamblers go to ruin is they suddenly realize their stack is getting really low and they impulsively bet it on a hand or game or two that wouldn't normally have interested them. It's a self-destructive tic that is common to guys who crave the action. The long-term gamblers, the guys who go broke now and then but avoid the abyss, those guys have the ability to walk away from the table most of the time when the trap is sitting there in front of them. They live to fight another day. It'll be interesting to see where Tannenbaum falls on the scale. He has gambled repeatedly with tomorrow's resources to make today better. What does he do when that barely broke even last season? Does he take his remaining chips and throw them in the center of the table to see if he can recoup some of the losses or does he walk away and try to figure out why the Jets got where they wound up last season?
So essentially, we trade Revis for Kalil and some cap space. Keller and Fleener could be a push, but because of experience ill give it to Keller. So we are trading away the best CB since Prime Time for a RT that we havent seen play a down in the NFL. That would be dumb as fuck on our part. Only way we would follow through with this trade is if we wanted to get a QB, which we already have on our roster. You honestly dont think that one of the better pass catching TE’s and the best CB in the league/top 3 defensive player in the league can get the #2 pick? Who for us, in this scenario, would be Kalil? Really???? You think that a RT who hasnt played a game in the NFL is worth that much? Please.
Relax, I was responding to a hypothetical scenario someone posted in regard to the #2 pick rumors. Never said it'd be the right move. IMO that's the trade value that Revis would yield... and I don't see too many other scenarios that would give us that pick.
I love the "value" of draft picks. So overrated. If I were any team in the NFL, I'd give up a 1st and a 2nd, possibly a 3rd rounder for Revis. What are the chances any of those 3 picks are going even be 10 year starters, let alone All Pro or HoF worthy? If GB, which they never would, but for arguments sake, offered Aaron Rodgers for all 7 draft picks this year, I'd say yes and I'd have the deal signed and hand carried to GB before beer thirty that same day.
