sure, manning is a different situation - but no-one knows Flynn like Philbin does and given the Phins shaky QB position (and if he is a UFA) and they dont go for Flynn then other teams would have to question just how good he is.
The Niners won that SB and continued to do well with talent that Walsh drafted and developed and his system. The coaches that followed Walsh rode his coattails. All it took was for them to not get in the way. I give those guys credit for not trying to change things to their systems or mucking around with success, but they contributed little or nothing. Meanwhile, Dallas did greatly improve.
Hey, if they can afford it, sign him to a one-year contract, then with his great football mind, hire him to become the team President in 2013.
I meant more if Miami is chasing Manning, and in the meantime Flynn goes elsewhere, while Manning ultimately goes to like Az or something. but you got the point it appears.
I agree with everything u say here except your first point. Eli Manning wasn't just good this year, he was on another level. Right now, Id take him over big Ben any day of the week.
Really Eli wasn't great this season on the level that people like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady and Drew Brees were great. He threw a lot of passes and he put up a lot of yards and yeah it was a career year for him. Here's what people don't talk about though: Eli had 7 games where he threw either the same number of TD's as Int's or more Int's. The Giants were 2-5 in those games. He had 8 games where he threw for more than 300 yards and the Giants went 4-4 in those games. The Giants had 9 games where they allowed 21 points or more and went 3-6 in those games. Now compare Mark Sanchez who had no where near as good a season as Eli did. Sanchez had 8 games where he threw either the same number of TD's as Int's or more Int's. The Jets were 2-6 in those games. He had 3 games where he threw for 300 yards or more and the Jets were 1-2 in those games. The Jets had 9 games where they allowed 21 points or more and went 3-6 in those games. Eli had a career year but he didn't have a great one. He just got lucky with a late season run into the playoffs (like 2007) and then played pretty well in the playoffs and got a ring. He's a good QB not a great one and at this point in his career hes not likely to be a great QB although he's probably a lock for the hall of fame because the Giants beat the Pats twice and that means he beat a dead-cinch lock for the hall head-to-head in the two biggest games they played against each other. Eli, like every other season, had Giant's fans tearing their hair out at times and in awe at others.
Eli was off the charts good this year, he was especially good in the 4th qtr of games. If the giants had the ball last and the game was close, they were winning the game.
Your focus on season totals is interesting, but leaves out a singular fact in comparing the Jets with the Giants. And that is timing. The Jets folded at the end of the season, while the Giants got stronger. Season long totals only tell part of the story. For all the Jets' early season woes starting with the Ravens game and including Mangold's injury, they stood at the halfway point at 5-3. If they had merely kept up that level of performacne they would have gone to the playoffs. Instead they finished 3-5, and no playoffs. And that despite Mangold's return and improved play by the OL. Meanwhile the Giants found out how well their receivers could play, and won by taking the novel approach of outscoring their opponents. I know their record was also better in the first half than the second, but the Giants season actually included three parts, with the second one starting the first of four losses to San Fran, but by the fourth loss, to Green Bay, their Offense was cranked up, scoring 35 in the loss. But imo that set the stage for how they proceeded to beat Dallas twice down the stretch, the key win actually being the first one where the close but high scoring game against Green Bay the week before had a reverse result. Cruz was getting big yardage right through both that second part of the season into the third, but their D tightened just enough, while the O marched on with the single exception of the Redskins game. I understand that a season long perspective actually finds support on the Giants' season and results, because concededly it was that 6-2 record in the first half that allowed them to survive the 3-5 in the second. But... winning three of their last four, they found a way to win that they carried into the playoffs. Meanwhile if somehow the Jets had squeaked into the playoffs, they almost certainly would have been a wild card game loser. They were terrible down the stretch.
There's a chance that Josh Scobee is leaving the Jaguars. We should scoop him up. Top 3 kicker, plus great on the kickoff as well.
Why the fuck haven't the Jets signed every free agent yet? What is Tammy thinking, he's setting us back, fire him now.
Well Randy Moss would certainly make Santonio Holmes look more normal, in almost every way. One of my favorite John Madden moments was on Turkey Day in 1998. Randy Moss had caught 3 long TD passes from Randall Cunningham that day as the Vikings destroyed the Cowboys. Moss was a long-legged very thin rookie that year. He hadn't put on some of the muscle he added later on and he just looked so strange for a football player. Tall, skinny and arms and legs that went forever. Anyway Madden was doing post-game interviews in the Vikings locker-room and as a prop he setup a table with a turducken on it and he was interviewing players as they came off the field, still in their uniforms. Just quick little one-hitters where he'd ask a player a question and then ask them if they wanted a piece of the turducken, just kind of as a homey thing. So the first guy he got was Cris Carter who was just so smooth and professional. He'd had a big day that day and he kind of smiled at Madden and answered a question about the game and then told Madden he'd grab a piece of the turducken later on. He was just being polite and mugging for the folks back home watching the interview. Then he got Randall Cunningham who was the old pro at that point and the two of them talked for about 15 seconds and then Cunningham was gone into the lockers. Finally he got Randy Moss, who everybody wanted to see and find out about and he kind of brought him over to the table. We forget now how fascinating Moss was that first season. He was like Wilt Chamberlain dominant at that point. Nobody could cover him one on one and teams were trying to chip him with a linebacker at the line so that the two guys covering him down the field had a semblance of a chance to not give up a long ball. That day he had caught 3 balls, 56, 51 and 56 yard TD's and just destroyed the Cowboys secondary. Madden was getting a huge coup with some face time on camera with him on this mini-interview. So Moss comes over to the table and looks down at the turducken and just as Madden says "would you like a drumstick?" Moss reaches in and RIIIIIIP, grabs a drumstick and starts chewing on it. He obviously thought it was the food table that's always there for the players after the game. So Madden rolls with it, as he was so good at doing. I mean you just could not faze John Madden with anything. He was such a pro and he had such a good sense of humor that he could turn any situation into something reasonable. So he asks Moss how he got open against the Cowboys secondary on the scoring plays? And Randy's just chewing away with a big bulge in his cheek and going through that leg in about 5 seconds flat. He mumbles something like "I just ran by them." As Madden begins to ask another question Moss reaches down and RIIIIIP takes another one of the drumsticks off of the turducken and starts chewing on it. And Madden for all of his professionalism is just dumfounded and his voice trails off a bit in the middle of the question. And he's watching Moss just trying to figure out what's going on here. A second later he says "gotta go to a commercial now" or something like that, half to the audience and half to himself, and the network cuts away to a commercial. It was just a surreal sequence watching one of the best announcers of all time trying to come to grips with this rare talent who was basically from Mars. I wish I had taped the game that day because I'd love to see that sequence again.
Scobee got franchised - thats 4 Kickers got the franchise tag this season (and 3 safeties) Scobee, Prater, Dawson and Mike (frikkin) Nugent!
I didn't want to create a new thread for this, but considering the cap space we opened up by restructuring D'Brick and not franchising Pouha, do you think Tanny is priming to make another Tanny-esque move and bring in a heavy hitter? Reggie Wayne, Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston all went untagged and will be free agents. I'm not suggesting we SHOULD, just gauging people's thoughts. I'd personally wrap up Pouha, bring in Braylon on the cheap (if he's willing) and then use whatever cap space remains on our draft picks and depth. Jarrett Johnson?
The problem with making a big splash in FA this year is that using FA to fill I count three holes in addition to resigning Pouha is the better way to go than the draft. The four big holes right now (after making sure Pouha comes back) are in no particular order OLB, safety, #2 wideout, and RT. Safety wideout and RT would be better filled with veterans, since the Jets need starters at those positions on opening day. Conversely OLB is too pricey to fill with an impact player, and at OLB the Jets do have more flexibility to use Westerman and Maybin along with a rookie to bring along. The other parts of the team that could use attention do not have the same pressing needs as the above four, and can be properly filled from the draft. But given the cap space, it would be difficult for the Jets resign Pouha and get starters through FA at #2 wideout, safety and RT, let alone do all those things and make a "big splash".
