From the combine- a Jets perspective- Cimini

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  1. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    If it was so easy, teams would be able to throw against us successfully. Stats say they don't though. We've finished in the top 6 all 3 years under Rex in pass D. The gameplan may be easy, but they're still not executing.
     
  2. dcm1602

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    Except we move Revis around, so its not exactly that predictable. And when you have Cro/Wilson matching up against #2 and 3 wrs its not like those are incredibly favorable matchups.

    Its just our pass rush (hell our defense as a whole outside of our corners) is dogshit, so when they QB has 6 + seconds to cycle through his targets consistently the Revis effect gets negated.

    If we had a middle of the pack pass rush, the effect of Revis would be absolutely devastating on defenses. If you only have 3-4 seconds to throw the ball, and one target is gonna be smothered by the best corner in football, suddenly every passing play becomes Russian roulette.
     
  3. Chrebet86

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    Whoever was Wide Out # 14, kid looked real good.
     
  4. nyjetsrule

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    Thats an excellent way to put it, and a big time reason why I would love for us to find a pass rusher, be it in FA (Avril?) or the draft. If we can get even an above average pass rush going, can you imagine how much better our elite trio of CB's is going to look? I mean damn.
     
  5. deerow84

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    Personally I think our first rounder has to be either a WR, offensive lineman or possibly a safety. Do we have some holes on the defensive side (other than Safety, I mean)...of course. But we need more work on the offensive line to help the run or give Sanchez more time in the pocket, we need more/better targets for him as far as receivers go and while I like Leonhard as a safety with his injury issues and whatnot he can't be relied upon.
     
  6. dcm1602

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    I dont know how you can possibly leave OLB off that list.

    We have BT who is no longer under contract, quite old coming off a devastating injury. We have Pace grossly overpaid who is also old, somewhat injury prone, and meh pass rusher.

    OLB is without a doubt the most desperate need via the draft, at least safety can be addressed via FA (they said Eric Smith would be back unfortunately), OLB is far too expensive.

    If we dont get an OLB in the first 2 rounds, then two absolutely elite players either fell into our lap , or our FO is absolutely completely fucking retarded.
     
  7. Br4d

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    Or alternately the best players available at our first two picks were not OLB's and the Jets couldn't or didn't want to make a trade down.

    The Jets have multiple problems to fix going into this draft. One of those problems is the team is not as talented as the elite teams in the NFL. And that doesn't begin and end with the QB, it is almost a roster wide phenomena except for the 3 or 4 guys drafted in 2006 and 2007.

    The Jets need to get great players in this draft more than they need to fill any particular hole. Filling holes with good players will be less valuable than finding great ones.
     
  8. dcm1602

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    With how many great OLBs should be available in the first 2 rounds, id be shocked if this were the case.

    Upshaw, Ingram, Merciless, Curry, Perry, Jones

    Again if someone like TRich falls into our lap @ 16, and someone like Barron @ 48 im completely cool with that.

    But the thought of Westerman/Maybin being our starting OLB for a season, means our defense is gonna get raped alot more often than it should

    But id say
     
  9. Br4d

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    DeCastro is a better prospect than any of the LB's but Upshaw. Given that the Jets have needs at both G and LB they'd be taking the lesser player if they took Ingram over DeCastro. Same for Mercilus and the other guys.

    The thought of Westermann/Maybin being the starting OLB for a season is scary but the thought of the Jets collapsing next year on offense because they don't have a cohesive line is scarier. They better be getting a better player than DeCastro if they have that choice and pass him up.
     
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    DeCastro is one of those great guys falling into our lap though, I think theres a great chance hes gone before we pick.
     
  11. Mason

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    Holmes is far from a game changer. Really really far.
     
  12. Br4d

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    I have this funny feeling he's going to be there. No guard has been drafted before 17 in 13 years. Iupati a couple of years ago and Hutchinson in 2001 both went on 17.

    Guards used to get taken earlier than that but the only guys taken inside 10 were Jonathan Ogden and Kyle Turley and they were converted to tackle after they were drafted.

    Robert Gallery went the other direction. He was drafted 2nd as a tackle and couldn't cut it there and the Raiders moved him to guard in his 3rd season.
     
  13. duncc5

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    Sparano has said that getting Sanchez straightened out is his number 1 priority. He's also been pretty clear about wanting a more vertical passing attack. You can't be truly successful in the ground and pound if the defense doesn't respect the pass.

    It's been 11 years since we drafted a wide receiver in the first round, it's no coincidence that our passing game is average at best. I'm not saying you have to force the pick, but if a legitimate WR prospect is there at 16 it's the right choice. Floyd, Wright, and Hill could all be a good choice there. Keep in mind that Hill played in a triple option offense, so he stats are not an indication of his true potential.
     
  14. blackssmagic

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    What is everyones opinion on Ingram? Is he the next Suggs or Ghost?
     
  15. JohnnyThaJet

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    Neither, he is a solid prospect and I think it depends on where he goes in terms of how he will turn out. If he goes to a team that just sticks him at OLB he wont be as successful as a team that uses him in multiple schemes as a 4-3 DE 4-3 DT 3-4 OLB 3-4 ILB, he can play all over IMO. Im not very high on him though, I think there are other prospects out there that I'd rather have, but I wouldnt be disappointed with him being a Jet.
     
  16. Attackett

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    If Floyd is available and we pass on him we will live to regret it, I don't care who is available at this point, unless of course he just has terrible interviews which we can't know.

    Unfortunately though, Floyd most likely a top 10 pick now.
     
  17. JohnnyThaJet

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    I think it all depends on what the Jaguars, Bills, and Eagles do.

    In order for him to fall to us this would have to happen IMO:
    -The Jags would have to take Coples, not very likely since they have a huge hole at WR but they could sign a wideout , that also would help.

    -The Bills would have to resign Stevie Johnson, if they don't Floyd is a Bill 100%.

    -The Eagles would have to retain Desean Jackson. If they dont I think they go WR, unless Kuechly is there then he'd be hard for them to pass up.

    It's not impossible for Floyd to be there at 16 but things will need to fall in place.
     
  18. Attackett

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    I'm thinking he is a lock at this point to Jax, if not the Rams. Jax is so desperate for a WR that I find it hard to believe they will pass on one if someone is worth their pick, which Floyd certainly is.Maybe they are stupid enough to take Hill that high, If any team I wouldn't put it past Jax to be that dumb.

    I was thinking we were really gonna be in a great position in our spot, now I'm not as sure. I was sure that one of Ingram, Upshaw, Floyd, Richardson, Decastro would be available, now I think there is a good chance that they are all gone by the time we pick.
     
  19. JohnnyThaJet

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    The Rams will be drafting either Blackmon, Kalil, or Claiborne IMO, theyre essentially a lock to get one of them if they traded back to 6, worst case scenario they go with Reiff. So I dont see them going Floyd.

    Id be shocked if Hill even got into the first round, he's going to be very over hyped coming into this draft, I dont buy it that much, I need to see a lot more to be sold on him. I dont think the Jags will take him over the available players that will be there, they arent that bad at drafting.

    I doubt theyre all gone by 16 but even if somehow theyre I would love to pick up Mike Adams or Jonathan Martin to play RT if not take a chance on Jeffery. This #16 pick for the Jets will be a blessing in disguise, If we come out with a good player this team can bounce back quick.
     
  20. TNJet

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    Hope the FO is just blowing smoke because we need to make our OL priority 1.
     

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