Upshaw/Ingram

ingram, the scheme versatility he offers will be too much for rex to pass on. Plus he is a better pass rusher than Upshaw. Upshaw is far better in run support and contain, but I have a feeling Rex really wants his version of Terrell Suggs in NY.

 

Thought a lot about it, neither at the moment. Ultimately, neither is a top passrusher, and similar players can be found later on. Non-passrushing 34 OLBs are not premium players, and I really wouldn't use the pick on one.

 

So.... You don't want Upshaw or Ingram, word came out that we won't spend a high pick on a RT (given that it cud be smoke screens, but I think it holds more truth than not) and Floyd ran himself into the top 10 or at least shouldn't be around for 16... So who do u actually like?

 

Upshaw. I've seen 2 years of consistent solid play at the 3-4 OLB position from him. He's very familiar with how to play that D.

 

I like Upshaw. Heavy hands, good in run support and under rated as a pass rusher/disrupter. His football awareness is so damn good. I think he would provide a ton to our defense and be a true 3 down OLB from day one.

 

Upshaw, more consistent, more experience in the actual position we'd have him in.

Although I do like Ingram too.

 

Neither. I would rather take Floyd or Wright at WR. Upshaw doesn't have the pass rushing skills that we need from our 16th pick and Ingram is basically just a pass rusher. I would be fine with waiting until the second round and taking Vinny Curry.

 

At this point, your making a big assumption that a player like curry will be around in the mid second. I see him as a late first early second round guy right now. too many teams are looking for a pass rusher for him to last that late.

 

Ingram for several of reasons. One, he has the ability to become an elite pass rusher. I think that's what this D needs more than anything else. Two, scheme flexibility. He has lined up at DE, DT, dropped into coverage. Rex could have a lot of fun scheming up ways to use this kid, akin to what he did with Adalius Thomas in Baltimore. Three, he would bring greater speed to the LB corps.

I'd settle for Upshaw as he is the more finished product at this stage, but if Ingram's gone, and someone were clamoring for Upshaw and willing to reward the Jets well for trading down, I'd be very tempted to trade down and take Curry, Perry or Mercilus (in that order).

 

Just because "word came out" that they don't want a RT doesn't really mean anything to me. They need a lot of OL help and they want to be a run first team, therefore OL becomes a premium position. There's going to be players available at 16 with great value to start immediately on the OL, no reason not to make that the pick.

There's no top passrusher at 16, and the WR class is so deep that it would be very stupid to take one in the first.

 

And first round picks shouldn't be spent on OL unless they play LT. First round picks should be for playmakers. Period.

 

I don't agree, if we could draft a RT who can start on this team for 8 or more years, protect our QB, and sure up our run game they become extremely valuable.

 

I'd say Mangold was a damn good 1st round pick on a non-LT O-Lineman...

If he's around, I really want Michael Floyd. I've watched a lot of ND football over the last couple years and the kid is a monster. He out jumps everyone and catches damn near everything. Would be a perfect receiver to put opposite Holmes with Kerley in the slot... Unfortunately with his better-than-expected 40 time today, its possible he just shot up some draft boards. Hopefully his "character concerns" let him last till 16

EDIT: right after writing this, I came across this little nugget from NFL.com

Notre Dame wideout Floyd is going to be a monster

While the 2012 draft may be short on superstars, it's chock-full of solid, long-term productive players. The offensive line and defensive back prospects alone will help half the league. But I want a can't-miss game-breaker, so I'm taking Notre Dame wideout Michael Floyd. I'm not concerned about the off-the-field alcohol issues, because two of them were for underage drinking -- which 98 percent of all college students could be cited for. On the field, he's not as fast as you'd like, which will turn some teams off. That's a mistake. The guy he reminds me of wasn't fast either, but Keyshawn Johnson didn't seem to have any problem getting the damn football.

Floyd is big (6-foot-3, 224 pounds) and has a knack for shielding defenders away from the football. But most importantly, he showed up huge in every big game Notre Dame played the last couple of years. There were no instances where he was invisible, which is incredible, because that occurs with virtually all the other top receivers in college football at some point. He did it against one of the strongest schedules in the country year in and year out. Nobody could stop him. There were times when he was triple-covered in clutch situations and still came down with the ball. He got better every season at Notre Dame. He's going to be a monster.​

 

Interesting, I tend to agree with you on Upshaw at least, Ingram maybe not so much. I agree that neither maybe the solution to the Jets pass rush problem.

 

The Jets are headed for a serious problem at LB. You think the pass rush issue is critical? Well I tend to agree. You think that solving the pass rush problem will matter if the LB's become old, slow and unproductive? 3-4's live off of their linebackers.

Whether or not the Jets get a pass rusher out of this draft they must get a good linebacker.

 

You can find guys who can do that in the middle and lower rounds, even as UDFAs. You don't need to use your most valuable pick on an OL grunt. That's a knee-jerk reaction akin to Bradway drafting Nugent in the 2nd round after the loss in the playoffs to Pittsburgh because the kicker missed a couple of FGs.

 

That's a retarded statement.

I would draft Nick Mangold in the 1st round 10 times out of 10.

 

You can't find guys in the middle and lower rounds when you keep trading those picks to get somebody in the first 3 rounds.

If the Jets have one more lousy 1st and 2nd round combo they are going to go nose-first into the dirt and we're going to be living with that for years after Tannenbaum and Rex are history.

Tannenbaum's solution to everything is to identify a few people he wants and then, like a kid with his nose pressed against the candy store window, do everything he can to get those guys and to hell with the trip to the dentist that's going to cause in a year or two.

That causes real depth issues for the team and removes one of the best sources of talent in the NFL: mid-and-late-round players growing into a star role over a few years in the same system.

The crisis comes when the high picks flop because suddenly you have no fresh talent on the field and no depth developing behind them. That's where the Jets are right now.

Another year or two like this and the Jets will be #4 in the East and on the merits.