Tannenbaum has spent a significant portion of his tenure as GM lying through his teeth, I'm not sure why this would be such an out of character thing.
I can't figure out why the Jets aren't just saying flatout that Sanchez is the QB and that's how it's going to be in 2012. That would leave them all the room they need to make quiet overtures to Peyton Manning if he came free and without the down side of blowing up their own locker room next season if Manning says no, which is probably a 99% chance at this point. If the Jets are going to make a run at Manning they have to do it in a way that they have an out in the likely scenario that they fail to get their guy. The way that they're approaching it now is going to paint them into a corner really fast as the very short competition for Manning unfolds. The way they're playing it actually makes me think the plan is to cut Sanchez one way or the other only they don't want to look like they have no other options during Manning week.
I CANNOT understand how Jet fans are so easily sucked into the Manning saga. First off the Jets are struggling to create enough cap space so they can sign their draft picks and several low end FAs. So unless Manning is will to play for the Jets for the Vet minimum, all Peyton talk is ridiculous Secondly, even if the former Jet intern waived his magic wand and an additional 30MM in cap space was created for the Jets, why the F**k would Manninng want to come to the Jets and play in a "ground and pound" offense, behind a substandard OL, one legit WR who is a diva of epic proportions, a poor running game, and in a cold windy outdoor stadium. Plus add in all the drama of a broken lockerroom and New York's ravenous media Sorry my friends. Right now it looks like Miami makes the most sense. He can go there, where he has a home. Play his home games in warm weather. He'll have a team that has a very good defense, a solid OL, a 1000 yd rusher who is a great pass threat, one great WR and 2 other decent ones. Plus he'd have a HC who coordinated one of the best passing attacks in the league. And a team that was 6-3 in their final 9 games BTW- I'm not all that happy that he's probably going to land in Miami. It was bad enough having to play him once a year.
Peyton Manning is not coming to NY. There's just no upside here for him at all. If he can play he'll get his money anywhere he goes and there is only one worse city to play in at this point in terms of media and fan frenzy and that's Philly. That's why all the quiet posturing by the Jets is so silly. They don't have a realistic chance to land Manning but they're so desperate for the attention after the Giants Super Bowl win that they'll take anything that comes their way. Even if it is likely to bite them in the ass in a big way in a month or so when their efforts fall on deaf ears and they wind up looking like they've been played for suckers. The downside here is that the Jets don't look like they have a lot of self-respect at this point. They look like a desperate organization boxed in by the choices they've made in the last half decade and with no real way out except to hope they get lucky and Manning is both healthy and willing to play for them despite the odor emanating from the locker room and executive suite.
A lot of what you said is true, but you whiffed on a bunch of points and conversely only look at the negatives for the Jets, while trying to find silver lining with Miami even though they were the inferior team last year. Miami, statistically speaking, had a much worse offensive line than the Jets this past season in both pass protection and run blocking. You mention a very good defense, yet the Jets best them in this category as well across the board. You rip Holmes calling him a diva, but what does that make Brandon Marshall with his borderline personality disorder saying he wants to get thrown out of games? This was Reggie Bush's first 1,000 yard season. He was made of brittle before this. Let's not act like this will be a proven fact moving forward. Also, where are the Jets struggling to find cap room? Because Tanny was smart enough to restructure a deal, that's defined as struggling? Pats fans every year think we're in cap hell, but I've never seen this team NOT target someone because of the cap. Give me a break. You'll rip the Jets, but I'm sure you love the fact that Belichick and company decide to not spend more money (when they clearly have it every year) and continue throwing out street players and JAGs on defense.
And what did he do to help? Didn't re-sign Braylon, let go of Cotchery and brought in grandfather Bullet Hole Leg Prison Inmate Burress to go along with HIS grandfather, Derrick Mason. If he, or anyone else expected Sanchez to improve with those moves, with that corps, then I don't know what say, besides stop being delusional. QBs don't magically improve when you start taking their receivers away and not improving on an already average corps. This goes for any QB we have behind Center. Get him some help, and then see what happens.
I think the Miami o-line and and Jets o-line are comparable. Strong at LT and Center. Average at the guard position and very poor at RT. As far as the Dolphins having a much worse offensive line statistically speaking I'm guessing you're getting that from pro football focus or a similar site but Miami had more rushing yards and more yards per attempt. You are also incorrect in stating that the Jets had the better D across the board as the Phins ranked 3rd in rushing D and 6th in scoring D with the Jets 13th and 20th respectively. As for Brandon, he is a headcase but as bad as his QBs have been he never got in arguments in the huddle and stormed off the field/removed from the game.
He mentions it because he thinks it gets under peoples' skin, when all it does is hurt the credibility of his posts. It's a mechanism of the less intelligent Pats fans and frankly I thought it was beneath PFK, but apparently not.
Taking your points one by one: Yes, they are definitely comparable, as by both teams standards they both had subpar seasons, but the Patsfanken pointed out the Jets o-line is substandard vs the Dolphins very solid o-line, with no factual basis to support it---again an incorrect assertion There's more to an offensive line then rushing yards and rushing yards per attempt, as a lot of this has to do with your running backs vs pinning it solely on your offensive line. And yes, I used ProFootballFocus and Football Outsiders as my source, both of which ranked the Jets offensive line as superior across the board to the Dolphins (both run blocking and pass protection) which even I was surprised at using an eyeball test. You make a couple valid pts here, I should have phrased it better. As a whole, the Jets were better. If you break it down to individual parts, you can definitely cherry pick aspects where Dolphins were better than the Jets. Know that the Fins were SLIGHTLY better in rush D over Jets cause teams HAD to run the ball at us vs passing since most teams couldn't against Revis and Cro. I also don't need to tell you scoring D is one of the most overrated stats in football. Over half our teams points (let that sink in, OVER HALF) came of Sanchez pick 6's and fumbles, and special teams turnovers (had the most in the league). No other team in the NFL came close to that. If you were to take away these aspects for all 30 teams, the Jets are at the top of the league in scoring D. Unfortunately, we can't do this, but I have to point out the deficiency of this statistic. Can't argue this. Marshall is an incredible receiver, and a much better one than Holmes. I was just pointing out the double standard acting like Marshall is a saint (didn't say this specifically, but it's implied), while Holmes is a diva.
Agreed on the o-line and D parts. Analysis using stats is very tricky. As far as all of those points coming from turnovers I was not aware that number was so high so thank you for pointing that out.
1. The Jets aren't struggling with anything. As has been said countless times, there are always ways to manipulate the cap to fit players in. Always. It really is the last thing that should keep Manning from being a Jet. 2. 3 pro-bowlers and a O-line minded coach begs to differ about how bad our o-line is. Just because you think it is bad, does not mean it is. And it is still better than what he had in Indy for most of his career. 3. You can call your offense what ever the fuck you want. But any team would let Manning run whatever offense he wants. And Manning would sign before the draft and at the beginning of free agency (most likely). So, the roster would not be set in stone. 4. The running game was not as bad as you think when you use your brain and realize that there were 8 men in the box on 1st and 2nd down because the defense knew the run was coming, and Sanchez was just awful. 5. Manning is a football player, not a pussy. Football players play in the cold. 6. The locker room is broken because Mark Sanchez is the qb, and because Mark Sanchez sucks at playing qb. That seems to be the root of the problem. 7. When you are Peyton Manning, you will be scrutinized if you play in fucking Djibouti. It doesn't matter where he plays. 8. Yet with that same Dolphin team, and the Jets being the same team, one would win 11 games next year, and the other would probably lose 11. And I will let you guess which team is which. 9. He is not going to the Dolphins. If he wants to play for a loser, he would stay in Indy. He is going somewhere where he can win.
1. So you're telling me that with Chad Henne/Matt Moore the Dolphins can win 6 games but with Peyton Manning they would win 5? And as bad as you seem to believe Mark Sanchez is you think Peyton would only provide a 3 game bump? 2. Who is your source? (as if not wanting to play on a losing team is the only factor involved in the Peyton saga.)
Oh, come on Abby, have a sense a humor. Of course your are correct. It was done just to tweak those Jet fans who keep on tweaking Pats fans about "spygate" And no, I don't really believe that Roger Goodell is the Jet's mole inside the league office. I don't think he specifically changed the dead money rule to help the Jets. However that being said, it is a little suspicious that the cut off date to set when the dead money would count and when it wouldn't significantly helped only a few teams, including the Jets. But that was probably just a coincidence :wink: But since I think you are one of the best posters here, I will try an control my baser instincts and refrain from tweaking of Jet fans with comments about the "former Jet intern" My sincere apologies.
Do you think he comes here? Because its a stretch after watching our last season for Manning to think he can win here. Honestly, if you look at all the possibilites, there are no teams that turn into instant favorite for the SB, unless SF or BAL gets Manning. Neither team is likely to do that, so Manning is going to go to a team that has to rely on him to win no matter where ends up. Basically the same scenario he had in IND.
No need for quotes around spygate, it was an actual historical event. Your tapes were destroyed before anyone could watch them, remember? Oh what is this, a tape of the opposition's Superbowl walk through in the game that started a dynasty? Nothing to see here. Your paranoid little whimpering is assinine.
THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS!!! Schittyheimer's shitty offense!!!! Wide Receivers who can't separate!!!! An O-Line that almost got Sanchez killed!! Tanny....just SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY! DO YOUR JOB AS GM AND BRING IN PLAYERS TO HELP MARK SUCCEED!!
