I agree that if Upshaw was there at 16, he will probably be the pick. The only two situations that I see happening that would cause us to pass on Upshaw is if by some miracle, TRich is there, or if Rex likes Ingram better. I really dont see us taking a WR over Upshaw, I think Rex will like Upshaw or Ingram more than Mercilus, and I dont see us really passing up on a player like Upshaw for an offensive lineman.
Hope they do Would pretty much cost them either two firsts, or a first and two seconds. Or a 1st second 3rd and 4th. Either way they would be paying a TON, and imo overpaying by a mile.
I totally agree with this IF Rex gets to make that call. The problem is, it's probably Tanny, so God only knows what the Jets will wind up with.
Yeah, there's a reason those guys didn't get to play at big programs. You do get a star out of the small colleges now and then and even guys drafted very high who hit the jackpot in the NFL. Going after them as a priority though is just stupid. Yeah there's less competition for them and it's for a very good reason. The Jets scouting department blows chunks. I don't care if they found Darrelle Revis in 2007. 2007 is a looooong time ago and they haven't found anybody of note since then. They should have cleared the office of everybody involved in the talent evaluation process after 2010. Now it looks like it's going to take a major crash to do that and it's really hard to rebuild after that happens.
You look at the last two drafts, and I don't see a ton of other ways they would've gone. 2010 they needed a corner after getting crushed in the playoffs by Manning, McCourtey had just gone to the Pats and the next two guys were Patrick Robinson of Florida State and Chris Cook of UVa. Cook has had his own issues and Robinson isn't a starter in New Orleans. Someone mentioned in another post or maybe even earlier in this one after Ducasse the lineman taken aren't exactly Ferguson or Mangold. Last year, I think Wilkerson was the right pick over Cameron Heyward, and with an emphasis on getting another defensive lineman in the 3rd round, after Ellis was taken with the 94th pick, Sione Fua went 97 and then there wasn't a DT taken until David Carter at pick 184. The debate is should the Jets be taking the best player available or targeting certain positions to fill needs. I don't think the school factor is as relevant to Tannenbaum and company as what position they play.
You just described every reason why he fits with the Jets. Sets the Edge. Hits the QB when we have solid coverage (which we do for the most part). Great football IQ. God I hope we get this guy.
Yuor confusing the 40 wit hthe 10 yard split time if your looking for explosivness. Rushing the QB from the edge is about getting up the feild fast, not sprinting from mid feild to sideline. Rushing the QB is also about battling the lineman. Upsahws hands are very, very good if not in the elite class. Its another underlooked aspect of his game becasue unless your really watching close its hard to see.
Going into last year we had pace and Thomas. Thomas is all but out now, and Pace is in the final year of his contract. Was my comment that hard to understand or are you just nitpicking to be a dick?
I was pointing out that we only have 1 starting OLB now, and that getting two OLB (which you suggested) wouldnt be a terrible idea.
Got ya, I tend to think of things as Last year vs the up coming year opening day roster. Rgiht now, we still have the FA period to go so all of this specualtion is going to change wildly. Untill BT is signed else where or we pass on him I still count him, if its in spirit only lols.
wow.... anyway agree that we need 2 future starters to come out of this draft at LB. IMO its all but sealed that we take a LB in round 1 - if all things go as planned. after that though i can see the possibility of the jets moving in on an ILB - possibly in round 2 or higher. if the jets can strike with these guys it could make for a very formidable front seven especially after these guys get their feet wet.
In my personal opinion , if the team stays the way it is today, it is too big of a risk for this team. We have too many holes, like RT, WR, ILB, Safety, etc. We need to target a RT or a WR in the secound round so we can come into the year and compete again. If we were a rebuilding team I'd say its worth a shot, cut Pace, and rebuild at OLB but we can't afford to rely on two rookies to start on this team and/or not fill another position of need.
I would be mad at all, assuming we addressed WR in FA this could be a very good thing for our defense over the next 5 to 10 years.
I still think at that point we'd still need to address RT there will be a nice group left over from the first to draft. The only way I see it making sense is if we signed a stop gap vet and a WR. At that point we could draft two pass rushers and improve the D immediately. It's not a bad idea. It's just not practical , in my opinion.
I think that a WR in the 3rd would be a better option than a "stopgap vet". Criner has probably played his way into the 2nd and I'm not a huge fan of the McNutt, Toon, Cunningham group (maybe it's my Big Ten hatred) But the guy I really love is Gerrell Robinson out of ASU. He will definitely be there in the 3rd. Love this kid's upside. 6'3" 225 lbs. Was injured to start the year but came on strong at the end and played extremely well throughout Senior Bowl week.
Putting heavy weight into the defensive side early on is probably going to be an error. One of the problems the Jets have is that they've neglected the offensive side of the ball since 2006. 1sts Revis, Gholston, Keller, Sanchez, Wilson, Wilkerson. 2nds Harris, none, none, Ducasse, none. That's 3 high picks on the offensive side of the ball in 5 years. The defensive side has had only 4 and is also below critical mass at this point. The trading up has really hurt the Jets. It's like having a talent vampire sucking the life out of them today, eventually leaving a dessicated corpse tomorrow.
man the gholston whiff really hurts - even years down the road. if he DID pan out as expected we would be talking about OL/WR alot more in the upcoming first round. regardless we have to get at least 1 LB with the 1st 2 picks - i know what u mean about leaning heavy one way or the other but u have to play to the draft and this draft can get u 2 brand new starters back there that hopefully have the same impact we saw in houston last year. i do assume we will use FA to plug a hole or 2 at other spots but we need youth at LB.
How is it a risk to take two OLBs? Sorry, you can't just throw a statement like that out there without explaining or justifying why you think it's a risk. In no way, shape or form is taking two OLBs in the top 2 round risky. There is a long list of tall, fast WRs in this draft. Some will be available in the 3rd or 4th round that in other years would probably be 2nd or even 1st round picks. I'm not saying that the Jets should wait until the 3rd or 4th round, but I think they could and still come away with a very good WR prospect. The team cannot cut Pace this year period. I wish posters would quit saying that. His salary is guaranteed and the Jets would take a sizable cap hit. Pace will be gone after this season, however, and not only do the Jets need to draft his replacement now and be grooming him, but this is the perfect draft in which to do that. This is a strong draft for OLB prospects. You always should draft to the strength of the draft. The two deepest, strongest positions in this draft are OLB and WR. The Jets should take two of each. The Jets don't have to take OLBs in round 1 and 2. They could go 1 & 3, or 1 and a lower round. There are a number of good looking OLB prospects some of whom are from smaller schools and they have good speed and excellent stats that should be available in the 4th - 6th rounds. With the compensatory picks, the Jets will have something like 10-11 picks. They have the opportunity to address every single one of their needs. It doesn't mean that all those picks will pan out, but with good scouting, they good. I think it's highly questionable that the Jets will be that competitive this year, and will depend upon a lot of things going right or almost perfectly. While the play calling should be better without question, will the play design? The execution? Will Sanchez improve with Cavanaugh still his QB coach? Will Holmes and Sanchez iron things out? Will Rex really know how to address the locker room problems? Will Tanny make the right choices in FA and the draft? Will the draft picks contribute immediately, or will they be like the last several drafts where the Jets have gotten almost nothing in the first year or two from practically any of their draft picks? Kerley is about the only exception to that. I think it more likely that the team will return to being really competitive in 2013 or 2014 IF they don't have to start over at QB. If they do, it could be 2015 or 2016, but at least they hopefully will have an excellent supporting cast to surround that new QB with.
