Im sorry, but do you know what time of team the Jets are? If the Jets are in position, without trading up to take Richardson, I think it is an obvious no brainer. The Jets are a ground and pound team. We arent going to win a SB with an Elite passing game, at least for the next 3 years. So lets think a minute... So would an Elite RB prospect, one that only comes around every 5 years or so, on a run first team with a Qb that flourishes with a solid run game be best or say, a solid WR prospect on a run 1st team.. I would go with an Elite RB prospect. I dont really care what the last ten years have shown, bc we arent those teams. We dont have an Elite passing game. We are best (under our HC) with a great run game. Our HC is dedicated to running the football... And if kyle williams didnt fuck up in the NFCCG, the 49ers, who have an Elite run game couldve been in the SB. Ray Rice was a game away from a SB. If Arian Foster had his starting QB, he could easily have been in the SB.
This is very well said, in all honesty if he is on the board when we pick and is the BPA. At some point we need to stop wasting picks on Rb's then if we are not going to play the ones we have. You cant count on someone like Curry lasting til the 2nd...
With the Jets @ 16 and the Bengals @ 17 its very possiible that any team after that would be willing to jump up to 10-15 to get in front of us. Hell with the firepower the Bengals have I bet they would trade up from 17 to 15 just to ensure they get him. The Bengals by far have the biggest need for him, and they also have the most power to get him
The offensive line is the most valuable part of the texans offense. Ben Tate was running all over the league this year.
i dont think theres any way he gets past KC ... TJ and battle are not very good and charles is a speed back coming off of a serious knee injury
While I agree they have a very good line, don't under estimate Tate's talent. He was drafted to be thier starter in the 3nd round and blew his knee out in preseason his rookie year. It was not a shock at all to see him pick up the slack so well when Foster went down. The Texans may have the best 1-2 punch in the NFL at running back right now.
I've bben arguing this all along. I don't see why people think they are solid at RB. Charles is a change of pace guy not fit for between the tackles, short yardage running, and Jones is really on his last legs. Sure KC needs help in other areas, but they could very easily be faces with the talent > pressing need choice at thier pick.
Not underestimating his talent. Thats my point though. You can get a Ben Tate in the 3rd round. You don't need an all world talent at RB to win in this league. I think the Jets would be better off drafting a different position in rd 1.
I hear you but they have been stacking the box against us for 3 years now. You don't need Trent Richardson to make that happen. If the Jets fix the line, and go back to an offense focused around the run then they will force teams to continue to stack the box. And my argument is not that we don't need a ray rice but that ray Rice was a second round draft pick. I think Greene because of his receiving skills is only a back that can share the load so I do think we need another back but again I just think we would be better off drafting a different position in rd 1 and going for a back in the later rds. Look at the league today. I did some research. Here is what I think everyone would consider the top backs in the league look how many were drafted in rd 1. The majority were outside of rd 1 and that is a good list of talent. Not to mention the guys drafted in the top 10 have been somewhat injury prone throughout their careers. You have to keep in mind running backs take a lot of hits so there is a higher chance of injury there. Not drafted in the first RD: Maurice Jones Drew - 2nd round LeSean McCoy - 2nd rd Ray Rice - 2nd rd Matt Forte -2nd rd Frank Gore - 3rd rd Jaamal Charles - 3rd round Arian Foster - Undrafted Michael Turner - 5th rd Ahmad Bradshaw - 7th rd Fred jackson - Undrafted LeSean McCoy - 2nd rd First rd draft choices: Stephen jackson 24th overall Chris Johnson 24th overall McFadden - 4th overall Peterson - 7th overall Bush - 2nd overall
Except, Ben tate was 2nd rounder, the 5th running back off the board and one of 6 in the first two rounds. To get talent you draft a player early. The fact is you can get talent at any position later on in the draft, but the chances drop off. OLB's like Harriosn go UDFA. Brady was a 6th rounder. Marques Colston a 7th. Does that mean teams should wait on OLB, QB, and Receiver becasue they can be had in later rounds? The only positions that should be excluded from the top of the draft are punter and kicker. Everything else should be on the board. Talent and need should drive your direction, but when a player fits both catagories, talent should be the driving factor between a choice. Should we draft a guy who has good potential at OLB over on that has great potential at RB, just becasue RB seems to be less of a need? I can't remeber who said it first around here ( it may be johnny the jet) but, if you think a team would highly benefit from having a MJD type of running back on thier roster, then they have to take a long hard look at Richardson at thier pick. Sure in the top ten you can argue that more highly valued positions may have equal talents. Now in mid round one your looking at players that are going to be very good. Some may hit great play, some may level off as very soild, some will bust as always happens. At this point, with a guy that by all means looks like the next great running back, its foolish to not be interested.
You just don't pass on a blue chip player like Richardson if he falls to you at 16. I understand we have bigger needs, but passing up huge value like that to take a need is a good way to fail at building through the draft in the long run. It's not like we couldn't use an upgrade at RB anyway. Our offense could surely use a dangerous play maker. Now if someone offered huge value in a trade down, that's another story. I think it would have to be beyond the value chart though given the talent Richardson has.
Maybe people are forgetting the Chiefs just drafted a hb in the 2nd round way way way back in 2010 And he averaged 4.5 YPC while being a legit receiving threat. The Chiefs got Charles and McCluster. I think they have so many holes that trading down is their best bet, or at least trying to patch up their legit needs. TRich would be nice sure, but for them he would be a luxury pick.
Both of Charles and McCluster and not powerful running backs, hell the way they use McCluster I would barly count him as one. I love how you site his YPC, but leave out that he got just over 100 carries and 30 yards a game, despite KC missing thier best back, and he finished behind Jackie Battle for the team lead in rushing. In fact, he was third in carries behind Thomas Jones and Battle. He is little more than a change of pace guy and more often used as a receiver. He's listed at 5-8 170 and the 170 is reaching. He would not stand up to a 200 carry, 50 catch season. Jones is about Done. Battle has power but no acceleration. Charles is Dynamic, but coming off a ACL injury and the previous staff did not feel he was a handle the load type of back, McCluster has been more of a gadget player than pure RB for them. We have fans that call our situation unsettled, but think KC's is ok. The reality is both of our teams could use Richardson. The Chiefs best bet may be for DeCastro to be thier pick. They could also lean towards Richardson, or another spot along the Oline with a guy like Martin or Adams. A lot depends on the new offense thats coming in. Daboll is a guy that I belive likes power running/ Playaction styles fronm his work in Cleveland and Miami. If thats the casr I don't expect a ton of carries for McCluster yet again and the Chiefs need to look for another option, becase Battle is jsut plain bad as a every down back from the games I watched last year.
The Jets were undefeated when they ran the ball 30+ times. It's Schottenheimer and Rex's fault that only happend four times. We have the runners necessary to win football games and a championship. Use the draft picks where they are actually needed: WR, TE, OL, OLB, S
He had 115 carries sharing carries with Charles (till he got hurt), Battle, and Jones. Shonn Greene got 250 carries sharing carries with... well basically nobody. If McCluster can handle 70-100 carries a season, with having Charles good for 150-200, are you really going to draft a guy inside the top 10 ? I understand that they need a big physical back, but it just doesnt make sense to me on any level. They can get a big guy terrance ganaway in the middle rounds go for it.
This. If it costs more than a 1st and 4th to secure him, and Im sure it will, then no. We need help lots of places. Richardson would be perfect for us, but I can also name a WR, OLB, S andOT that would be great for us, too, and someone is bound to be there that wouldn't cost us a chance to address more needs later. If he fell to 13 or so, and it only cost a 4th, id be fine with it.
McCluster and Charles are basily the same back. They didn't share caries, McCluster only got his after Charles went down. Even then he was the third option on a team that featured Thomas Jones at 3.1 yards a carry. McLuster was the only back beside Charlse to fumble for the Chiefs, losing 2 in 160 touches. The guy is good in space, but is not a between the tackles, every down runner. You vastly over valuing his talent. As for the Greene comment, he got 253 out of 440 total carries, so he gave away almost 200 to someone. Sure none of the otehr runners had over 100, but its not as if he carried 80% of the work load. McCluster on the other ahnd was given 114 out of 487. Not even a quarter of he work load on an offense that bad missed explosive plays with Charles and Moeaki not around. He was a question mark coming out of school on how he would fit into an NFL offense. That same question still lingers. Charles is better as a speed back, McCluster has no power to his game, he has not made big strides lining up in the slot for KC. He is a good talent that does not seem fit any position right now. Charles coming back this season will take away his carries. I doubt KC wants to hand the ball off to Battle agains so much next year, they need a powerful compliment, if not a true all around back.
