Holmes to stay with Jets

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Yeah, but the year before Sanchez could actually throw the ball within 5 feet of the target...everybody loses site of just had bad Sanchez became this year.
     
  2. Royce Parker

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    I don't think it makes sense to throw out theories when nobody really knows what went down. Holmes has been singled out because he was the one who vocalized his discontent and brought it out in the open. Whether it was him being a diva or Sanchez being a dick or frustration with Schotty's playcalling or some combination of things is unknown.

    What we do know is that Holmes and Sanchez both have plenty of incentive to iron things out and have a big year together. Holmes needs to avoid being permanently labeled as a malcontent and screwing up his chances for another pay day down the road. Sanchez needs to take a big step forward in order to prove that he's worth his fat contract and avoid being shipped off to be a backup on some other team's bench.

    I don't think either guy gets another shot with the Jets if they don't bring it next season. Let's hope they both rise to the occasion and put this bullshit behind them.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    It's hard for me not to come to the conclusion that this was about money for Holmes and Burress, and that is why things went sour with them.

    McElroy comes out publicly talking about how some players were more concerned about stats than winning. Both receivers likely had performance escalators in their contracts that they weren't meeting and thus acted like 10 year olds about not getting the ball. The Miami game was Holmes' last chance to meet those escalators and he wasn't getting the ball. That's when and why I think it came to a head.
     
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  5. Royce Parker

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    If they were looking to put up numbers I would have expected to see a little more effort on the field - especially from Plax. Not saying your theory is wrong, but if that was the case, why not at least put in 100%?
     
  6. Royce Parker

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    He should have used some of that $50mil to buy some proper champagne flutes for his $300 a bottle Cristal.
     
  7. Big Blocker

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    This is grossly unfair. Chad and Sanchez are very different players. Ftr Chad was the better Qb except in two respects. The first was that he was far more fragile than Sanchez. The second was his arm was weaker, not that Sanchez has a particularly strong arm.

    But Chad was relatively accurate and could read defenses. His turnovers were more about not getting enough zip on his passes.

    And despite the problems this past season with Hunter and elsewhere on the OL, Sanchez never had to deal with a horror show like Clarke and Bender at LG.

    The only thing common about them is that there is a sizeable but diminishing portion of the fanbase who think that being a fan means being a fan of the Qb as compared to the rest of the team.

    I can think of some examples if you care to have me name them.
     
  8. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    This is probably right on the money.
     
  9. Italian Seafood

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    On the flip side there are fans who pin everything on the QB, purposely ignore any success the guy has had and pine for someone else, anyone else, even if it's Kellen Clemens.

    Towards the end of the road with Chad I can see people getting frustrated with the injuries and consequent lost seasons because of them, but even there you and others refused to even acknowledge the games won or give him any credit. With Sanchez the criticism is even more out of line because he's still progressing to what he's going to be and we've seen flashes of what he can be. Go look at Eli's first three years, or Drew Brees or Peyton, any of them.

    People all want the finished product but aren't willing to go through the process it takes to get there. You either get a guy at the end of his rope, which is why he was available in the first place, like Favre, Boomer or even Vinny although he worked out, or you have to develop your own guy. To have a truly great QB in his prime you have to develop your own guy, which means not giving up on him at 25 after a few bad games. Not when he's shown you he can go into Foxboro and win in the playoffs, go into Indy, go into San Diego and win in the playoffs. And bring in whom? A journeyman? Good plan.
     
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  10. Big Blocker

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    Yeah, those people who pin everything on the Qb really do suck. I agree with you there.

    We can debate all day about Sanchez, but the facts are in his third year he has no better than a 23 ranking among Qb's meeting the ranking criteria. Imo that does not entitle him to a free pass going forward.

    The bolded portion of your post is factually incorrect. Another situation is what you would have in Orton - a late 20's Qb who is available because he is a free agent. Orton has at least five good years left in him, probably more than that.

    With this team, the core group of players being as old as they are, Orton quite simply matches up age and career wise with them. He is not a turnover machine, which is also a better fit for the Jet D. Given the situation with the cap, the need to fill other holes, the draft picks on hand, someone like Orton is the best option available for pursuing improved play from the Qb position.

    Ftr I doubt it will happen since Tanny is revealing himself as someone inclined to continue throwing good money after bad, and not to admit past mistakes. He apparently considers himself as having thrown in his lot with Sanchez.

    Still, getting him is what I would do if I were GM.
     
  11. Italian Seafood

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    I actually agree with you that Orton would be a good guy to bring in as a backup, but I think Sanchez has a much higher ceiling and isn't yet what he's going to be. Orton would be perfect to not only push Sanchez more but step in if Mark continues taking huge hits the way he has been. One of these times he's not going to get up and then what do we do? You can't have the season go down the drain and Orton is a guy like you said who could step in and win a few games. I don't see him leading a team to the Super Bowl, however, obviously neither did the first two or three teams he was on.
     
  12. FOURTHANDLONG

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    As weak as Chad's arm was at least he could read a defense. Sanchez is still clueless after going to the AFC Championship game twice. He has made no improvement on his game in three years and can not even hit a ten yard out on a regular basis. Chad, Clemens or whoever else we have lined up under center since the Parcells days has not had anything near what Sanchez had the last three years to work with. And as weak as Chads arm his receivers never revolted on him. Homes and Plax are both a**es but they know a bad qb when they see one. Derrick Mason got banished to the Titans because he was ready to speak about it. The problem with Sanchez is his talent does not equate to his 6th pick draft spot. If he were taken in the second rd where he belonged I don't think many people would complain. Unfortunately the six pick in the draft should win games on his talent and he has not proven he can do that or show that he will ever be able to do it.
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    Imo, that's a low blow there. KC first of all I believe is under contract to Cassell, while Orton is a free agent, which is why he should be available. Orton was up against the fan phenomenon of Tebow mania in Denver.

    His former team Chicago actually tried to get him back, so that tells you something, but KC had the better position on the waiver wire. His first game with them he led them to a defeat of previously unbeaten Green Bay, and finished with a record of 2-1, the loss being in overtime. Not bad for a mid season change of teams. Shows flexibility.

    Orton had a very good year his first year in Denver, but had an injury toward the end of 2010. That may have carried over into this past year, but he seems healthy from his stint in KC.

    In Chicago he was behind Grossman, who in fairness to them was the Qb when Chicago last went to the Super Bowl. But he replaced Grossman as the starter in 2008, and had a pretty good season. He likely would have come back but for the trade for Cutler. Ftr I like Cutler more, so I understand why Chicago made the move. But Cutler is not available. Orton is.
     

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