2012 Cap Situation

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  1. AlToon

    AlToon Member

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    The Jets have $128,092,733 committed. 5th highest amount in the NFL

    The salary cap for 2012 has not been set, but it is projected to be between $121-125 million, with teams being able to borrow another $2 million from future caps. Therefore, we’ll safely project the salary cap to be at $124 million in ’12. But please understand this is an estimation.

    Second, keep in mind that teams must preserve at least $5 million to sign their rookie class. The more picks, the more cap space needed.

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...l-salary-cap-projections-for-2012-season.html
     
  2. Barcs

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    Does that figure of $128m, include our players that are going to be free agents? Free agency doesn't start until mid march, so I wonder if that figure still includes the salaries from this previous season, or if it already subtracted the amount from people who will be free agents. Either way it makes a huge difference, but I don't see how we could be over the cap with that many free agents.
     
  3. AlToon

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    According to this,the Jets have $8M plus surplus

    There wasn’t one NFL teams that used up all of their cap room in 2011, which means all 32 NFL teams can use their surplus if they desire.

    Some have a lot more than others. For instance, the Pittsburgh Steelers only left $506,570 while the New England Patriots can carry over $6,668,877 and the New York Jets have a $8,391,247 surplus.

    The Jacksonville Jaguars can carry over $31,665,028. The Dallas Cowboys have $17,149,501 to carry over, and Tampa Bay has more than $25 million to carry over into 2012.

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...iami-dolphins-have-9-million-cap-surplus.html
     
  4. GQMartin

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    Tannenbaum knew this was coming so he saved the money.
     
  5. Cellar-door

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    So basically at the cap with the carryover and the rookie hold? That's not great, with so many FA spots to fill it seems unlikely any major Free Agent is a legitimate possibility.
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    The cap today means nothing..there will be cuts and re-structures. Only then will anybody have even the slightest idea of what the cap may be.
     
  7. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    We are already over the cap not including our free agents (Pouha, etc.):

    There are very few player including Sanchez, Smith, Moore, and Hunter that could be cut outright to help our cap number.

    We can extend and renegotiate contracts to free up space but this year will be tight when it comes to giving out contracts to any new free agents.

    This link has all the info:

    http://www.nyjetscap.com/salary.html
     
  8. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I don't believe any of this is true. They were jumping through hoops to sign alphabet soup for a minimum of 12 million a year ago. Do you really think they would have done that and then find themselves now 20 million or more over (based on your calculations) without a plan?

    Like I said it's a joke to try and play GM in February.
     
  9. Cellar-door

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    Not sure where you got 20 Million from as he doesn't mention that.
    This is the cap situation. We are 3-4 Million over, however we can roll over last year's space and borrow against next year, which gives us an extra 10M or so.
    That puts us up 7 million, however rookie signings are between 5 and 7 million. So we end up somewhere between even and 2 million in space before resigning anyone.
    We need to replace the following through the draft and FA:
    Bryan Thomas
    Sione Pouha
    Jim Leonhard
    LaDainian Tomlinson
    Robert Turner
    Kevin O'Connell
    Mark Brunell
    Plaxico Burress
    Nick Folk
    Brodney Pool
    Donald Strickland

    Now in terms of making cap space the following would clear space if cut (though they would still need to be replaced)
    Mark Sanchez- 9.25M
    Brandon Moore- 3M
    Dustin Keller- 3.2M
    Mike Devito- 3.1M
    Wayne Hunter- 2.5M
    Eric Smith- 2M
    Ropati Pitoitua- 1.2M
    No one else saves more than 710K.
    So it is an outside possibility that they could sign a major FA, but certainly only one, and it would likely involve replacing several starters from last year with rookies or guys right near the minimum. (Unless they dump a good player for nothing to a team way under the cap)
     
  10. wildaces

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    The Jets are currently sitting at $127 Million and the estimated cap is $124 million (from what I have heard). Assuming these numbers are correct, we are currently -$3 million. They have approximately $8 million in surplus that can be apply to the adjusted cap, and will give them $5 million in useable cap space.

    The first thing that needs to be looked at is Sanchez. He is due $9.25 million, and only $5 million is guaranteed. Sanchez will renegotiate, be traded, or cut outright.

    Keller is due $4 million but only $.8 million is guaranteed. Same thing as Sanchez.

    Between the 2 the savings could be as high as $7 million, and would give them $12 million. (I am not saying they will or won't)

    Other expensive players who may be (SHOULD BE) cut.
    Eric Smith -$2 million in savings (Would much rather have Tyvone Branch in Free Agency)
    Wayne Hunter - $2.5 Million in savings

    Victims of their paychecks?
    Brandon Moore - $3 million in savings (I don't personally want to see him go)
    Mike Devito - $3.1 million (I would like to see us save the money)

    If they all go, in addition to Keller and Sanchez, $22 million in cap room.

    Bottom line, the Jets have plenty of options.
     
  11. RobertTheJr

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    this is some ultimatum you are banking on?
     
  12. Cellar-door

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    You just cut 40% of the starting O-line, a starting safety and a starting D end,
    This is on top of the other starting S, starting DT, Starting OLB and starting WR who are free agents.
    you have 22 million (at least 5 of which has to go to rookies) to fill EIGHT starting spots plus sign depth at a variety of positions.
    It makes no sense to cut Moore, Hunter, Devito, they can't be replaced by better players for that money, and there are already so many holes opening up that upgrades there are likely a luxury.
     
  13. KWJetsFan

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    Good thing the Jets locked up Hunter at 2.5 million today. Didn't want to let that gem go.
     
  14. James Hasty

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    You get what you pay for or less.

    Keeping Hunter as your starting tackle means you only pay him $2.5 mil instead of signing a free agent that would cost $5 mil or more. So far you managed to save at least $2.5 mil of cap space and look like a great capoliogist. However, Hunter can not block above average pass rushers at all. Your starting QB counts $14 mil against the cap including $9 mil of salary that you would get back if you cut him. Since Hunter can't block its only a matter of time until Sanchez gets hurt.

    Now you are still paying Hunter that $2.5 mil and you are still paying Sanchez $14 mil (including pro rated bonus) but you do not have a quarterback and your right tackle would get the replacement QB killed too. You will end up paying both Sanchez and his replacement to watch the games from their wheel chairs. How is that $2.5 mil of cap savings looking now?

    We have lots of needs and cap space is precious to this team this year but you just have to make an investment in the offensive line for this team to compete.
     
  15. wildaces

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    I am just stating the facts. I am not cutting anyone.
     
  16. Catt_County

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    It's highly unlikely that any decent RT is going to hit FA. If you want to improve there, you're going to have to draft one.
     
  17. Cellar-door

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    I agree with this. Wayne Hunter while bad, was still our best RT. There isn't a RT out there who is better and won't cost more than we can really afford. Hunter at $2.5M is a good investment to hold the spot if we draft a tackle. The problem comes in large part from the fact that Ducasse looks like a whiff in the first round.
     
  18. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    No matter what they will bring in another QB. Manning if he will come here, somebody else if he won't. I will let you capologists figure out how they will do it, but be assured they will.
     
  19. Dirty6Sanchez

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    I'd be surprised if Manning comes here. I think you're right that the Jets will sign a Journeyman to compete with Sanchez though. Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, somebody like that.
     
  20. James Hasty

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    If they are satisfied with Hunter they will probably do nothing at QB either.

    This could be a boring offseason.
     

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