Did Brady say it best after the game?.....I'd rather make it here and lose than to not make it at all......think about it..........hmmmmm......I'd keep going every year too, with at least a chance
It was the right call even if it didn't work out his way. Even standing that close he can't be certain that the receiver: A) got both feet in bounds B) caught the ball cleanly BEFORE his feet came down in bounds C) didn't juggle the ball on the way down D) didn't lose control of it briefly when he hit the ground Any one of those things could have taken the play away. And since the Giants rushed to line up to get the next play off, Belichick had to either let the huge gain stand, or risk a time out and hope either A, B, C, or D happened. I'm not going to fault him for taking a shot at denying the Giants a critical big play. It was the right call.
Bill Bellichek has been riding Brady to win after win. Before that when he was batting 500 his QB was a former #1 overall pick in Drew Bledsoe.Even in Cleveland where he was mediocre he still had a pro bowl QB in Vinny Testeverde. What seperates guys like Parcells and Gibbs is that they were able to win with Jeff Hostettler, Ray Lucas, Jay Schroeder, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypen. While Bill Walsh was blessed with outstanding quarterbacks he was an innovator on offense and was the first to find a solution to the Bears 86 defense. Parcells, Gibbs, Landry, Shula, and Walsh are among the best of the best because they had to coach against each other. The level of competition among the top coaches during their time was unprecedented. You also had Mike Ditka, Chuck Knox, Marv Levy, and even guys like Buddy Ryan or Don Coryell who knew one side of the ball as well as any coach in history. What also sets Parcells and Shula apart is that there is a huge coaching tree of the disciples that learned from them. Without Parcells, Bellicheck and Coughlin may not have gotten their shot as head coaches. Andy Reid doesn't lead the Eagles if he doesn't study under Mike Holmgren who learned from Walsh. As for Bellicheck, the biggest names under him were themselves Parcells disciples. Both Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel worked under Parcells before they followed the turncoat to New England. So far the only true Bellicheck student to get a head coaching job is the penguin, Eric Mangini who betrayed him in the spygate scandal. Bellicheck will make the hall of fame one day (hopefully with an asterisk) but Parcells is in a different class altogether.
All SB teams had great players on them. It's not just about qbs, and winning with a less than elite qb doesn't mean the coach was that much better. You'll recall that Parcells had a guy named Lawrence Taylor. I think his name may have been in the papers a time or two. Parcells isn't the greatest coach of all time. There's just no argument you can make that will change that truth.
JetD---I would rather not get there. To me it's about winning--there is no moral victory for me. Maybe Brady can say that because he has won already ? Or maybe he was just on the spot ? or maybe thats how he actually feels ,,,but I would prefer not to get there,,,,,,
You have yet to make a case for anyone yourself. I think I have presented enough information to dispel the Bellicheck over Parcells arguement. As a Jet fan I live through a very long draught with some horrible teams culminating with the esodus of Carroll following the "Clock play" only to be followed with two consecutive seasons of this team having the worst record in the entire NFL. It was this team with mostly the same players one draft and a few free agents that Parcells coached to an 8-8 record only missing the playoffs by one game. In the following year (two years after 1-15) he had us at 12-4 winning the AFC East and missing out on a SB ring only due to a couple turnovers against a team that cheated and went over the salary cap. Every team that he touched was awful before he got there and a contender when he left. I still remember the Coslet years when the only guaranteed victories were our two games against the Patriots. They were no better than Kotite's Jets when he took that team over. Most winning coaches don't get a second act or fail miserably when the opportunity arises. Joe Gibbs and Mike Shannahan both got nowhere with the Redskins in their comeback attempts. Jon Gruden, one of the youngest coaches to win a SB is still in the broadcast booth. Cowher is still on the sidelines as well. Parcells has done it with five different teams. Perrenial losers turned into winners. The jury is out on the Dolphins but they are the only team that has to face two Parcells success stories in thier own division. Also, he never actually coached the team.
Nice post but Parcells won both SB with possibly the greatest disruptive force on D in NFL history prior to many of the rule changes that made the league much more QB driven. In today's game the QB is a much bigger factor because the passing game is protected in many more ways. Winning without a great QB is hardly a case for Parcells when he lined up Lawrence Taylor on the outside in all those games. I still go Lombardi, Walsh and I thought Hank Stram was a true innovator who is overlooked in the discussion as the real modern day coaching legends. Walsh had a great QB but he put in a system that helped make him great and it was something completely different.
anyone notice that the press gave BB a complete by these past couple weeks on his spygate. Wonder how many playoff/superbowls the great one would have won without cheating.
Well, in a few years we find out if it's Brady or Mr. Sweatsuit. *cough*cough* it's Brady *cough*cough*
I had hoped that had you actually looked at the records of the guys I listed, you'd see for yourself how ridiculous your argument is. But as you're calling out Belichick as being beneath Parcells, let's have a look... Career win/loss record: Parcells: 172-130-1 Belichick: 175-97-0 Post-season win/loss record: Parcells: 11-8 post season Belichick: 17-7 post season League Championships won: Parcells: 3 ('86, '90, '96) Belichick: 5 ('01, '03, '04, '07, '11) Super Bowl wins: Parcells: 2 ('86, '90) Belichick: 3 ('01, '03, '04) In every measurable category, Belichick beats Parcells. And add to that what others have pointed out already, Parcells has never won a SB without Belichick; but Belichick has won multiple SBs without Parcells. Simply put, it's not even that close between the two of them. BTW, there are coaches I listed that have better numbers than Belichick but I'm pretty sure you can do the research on your own ...at least I hope that's in your skill set.
Yeah, alright. Aaron Rodgers sux too..... Gimmie a break. Guy got to the SB with a team with no defense. Guy's the best coach of this era.
Get the heck outta here with that BS... Not a fan for obvious reason but the guy might be the best Head Coach since Lombardi, that's how good he is.
I don't know why anyone would argue that he is. Parcells was book-ended by dynasties in his second SB win, and those guys were allowed to shop for the groceries. He has been chasing the success he had with the Giants for two decades.
You're right. Bellacheat clearly cheated in most of them, so yeah he's over rated and would be nowhere without Brady.
Win loss record, championship games, and Superbowls are all team accomplishments. Tom Brady and friends including Bellicheck have won a lot of games. Those wins say as much about the owner, the GM, and the players as they do about the coach. While these are important benchmarks, they are not "every measurable category". If winning was the end all be all we would be talking about Barry Switzer over Jimmy Johnson and George Seifert over Bill Walsh because they won more games in a shorter period of time. After failing with the Cleveland Browns (something Parcells never did anywhere he went), Bellicheck went back to working for Parcells in New England and New York until he got his big break coaching a team Parcells already took to the Superbowl in the house that Parcells had already built from an absolutely pitiful exucse for a franchise. This team was also stacked with draft pcks awarded to them for Parcell's and Bellicheck's move to the Jets. Not only that but Bellicheck also stole his assistant coaches and much of his defensive personnel from the Jets team also built by Parcells. Despite all of this, it wasn't until the emergence of Tom Brady that Bellicheck and his Patriots were a threat to anyone. Parcell's Giants got to two Superbowl games and won them. They went through Mike Ditka's Bears and Bill Walsh's 49ers to get to those games. The Bears had the all time rushing leader and one of the best defenses in the history of the game. The 49ers had candidates for the greatest of all time at QB, WR, and safety and brought an all star team out year after year, The Giants were nothing before Parcells got there. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. A good coach gets the talent that he has to show up and play the game. A great coach gets that talent to play with passion and play the game at a much higher level. If Bill Parcell's only coaching stint was with the Jets and he took the team he got from Kotite to 12-4 in two short years I would rate that achievement over any one season that Bellicheck had with the Patriots. It isn't just about what your team does, its also the talent level of the team and how the coach molds that talent.
In the first paragraph, you say that SBs are "team accomplishments" but then you go on to count Parcells two SB as something in his favor. So Parcells' SB wins count but Belicheck's don't count. I really can't take you seriously at this point. His highwater mark was with the Giants. He never had the same success anywhere else he went. You're just yanking my chain now, aren't you? No one can be this blind.
I disagree... The Pats played a good game. Brady sucked in the final 2 games and still they were a couple of points away from winning the SB. Belichick is far more important to the Pats than Brady imo...
Lombardi 1 and Walsh 2 is not a bad way to go. Paul Brown is definitely top 5 material. George Halas also deserves serious top 5 consideration. Problem with him is that so many people think the NFL started in 1966. They seem to think anything that happened before Super Bowl 1 was the dark ages and should be ignored. Stram was an innovative coach. He is hurt by the 1970s. His "offense of the 70s" was not particularly effective after 1971 and he was bad with the Saints. Top ten innovator? Yes. Top ten head coach? I would have to say no.
I am not a fan of Parcells' mercenary approach. And I think your attitude to Parcells depends upon when he coached your team. He is sainted among Giant fans. Jets fans appreciate that he turned the team around (winning pctg very good since '97). Not sure about how Pats stand, but he did take them to SB I could defintely understand that a Dolphins Cowboys fan would feel that they didn't get their money's worth from him.
