this is what I'm sayin. should just hold your heads up high instead of tryin to discredit everyone elses wins. it makes you look pretty petulant.
I agree completely. If you truly believe that a team is just winning because of luck, then at least you can take solace in the fact that luck isn't sustainable - because it isn't. The Giants won 19 regular season games and 8 playoff games to get their past two championships. This simply does not happen just because of luck.
Here is one for ya, The Pats were lucky that Brady wears a knee brace or his season could have ended in week 2 when he got hit low by that Chargers defender. It never ends, of course there was luck involved in the Giants winning, the Saints losing to the 49ers may have been the luckiest but the way their D slowed down the Pats is it crazy to think they couldn't slow down the Saints? Now granted the Saints are insane in the dome but still, I got called crazy for saying the Giants would win the SB after they beat us. It's something I didn't want to be right about but to try and take this away from the Giants and call it luck is just sour grapes. They have an elite QB, great WR's, good line play and a solid D. Those usually add up to a good team.
9-7 does tell us they are the worst SB champ of all time but I'd take it. They did get typical Giants BS calls- the grounding was a joke and manningham's catch should have been ruled incomplete BUT the Giants played great the last month or so and earned the championship. Congrats to them.
You are joking right? From my view of ground, if you are under pressure, within the pocket, and throw to nobody, it is intentional grounding. Manningham also had two hands on the ball, two feet down, and didn't bobble as he went to the ground. I thought the Refs did a very good job last game of the season. Always like to see a game decided by the play and not the refs. I agree the Giants got luck, as does every team that wins the Super Bowl. Nobody considers you lucky unless you win the whole. The Giants got a couple breaks like every other team, and they took advantage.
He threw it before he was even pressured, how do you get a grounding call on a 40-50 yd pass? They NEVER make a call like that. The ball moved when Manningham hit the ground, it's an incomplete pass by the rule book but the refs can never make up their minds. One week it's a ctahc and the next it isn't but by the rule(and I heard about the rule book w/ the Brsdshaw fumble 2 weeks ago) it was an incomplete pass. BUT it was a great effort by Manningham and a great throw by Eli. They made the play and Welker couldn't make his much easier one. I'm not saying the Giants don't deserve it but those were 2 pretty big breaks they got.
The ball can move unless it hits the ground or if the movement of the ball causes the receiver to lose possession of the ball. He never lost possession of the ball.
I'm not sure. Tuck was coming in and he threw it down the field to nobody. They never make a call like that because usually a QB overthrows a receiver by 5-10 yards. This time, and NBC boxed it, nobody was within 15-20 yards. It was clear he was throwing to nobody. If Tuck wasn't coming at him and hit him, it is just an incomplete pass, but Tuck's persistence caused pressure leading to the penalty. I agree we rarely see it, but that's more because it's not a common scenario
The Giants aren't lucky, they just play up and down to the level of their competition, hence losing to the Skins twice, Seahawks and Vince Young Eagles during the regular season and being practically unbeatable against good teams when it mattered.
It can't move, we have seen it a million times. 2 notable examples are Chris Chambers vs. us at home in 2002 and Coles vs. NO at home 2005. I think it is a dumb rule but unless they changed it which I don't believe they did the ball cannot move at all. He was throwing before Tuck got to him though. He was throwing it away but he was throwing before Tuck was even near him. That was a tough call.
i'm pissed at how lucky the giants are it's almsot unfair that guy in san fran messing up punts the hail mary catch against the packers receivers on packers dropping catches the manningham pass(okay that might been more skill than luck) TWO fumbles by the giants that were recovered by the giants seriously I don't remember any other team with this string of luck. if we had luck like that in any of our playoff runs then we would have a ring. I want to see the media address this and put the giants in their place
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding "Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)." 1. Brady was in the pocket 2. Nearest receiver(Branch) was 15 yards away & off to the side. As for Manningham's catch: I see two feet on the field after he catches it
You know this isn't going to happen There is no Giant-hater QB in the media to coordinate the attack like Francessa, O'Connor, Cimini, Serby et.al, vs the Jets All media today and for foreseeable future will bow down to the Giants and fall over themselves to kiss their rings Besides, complaining about luck is the worst way to attack the Giants, even if it seems true during this run. A 9-7 mediocre team could not make the run without a lot of luck. And luck goes in cycles. Jets have to be do for some soon!
The Giants proved that they were the best team in the NFL for 2011. They proved that in the playoffs and winning the SB. As for luck, winners make their luck. Congratulations to them for a job well done.
They have a dominant pass rush and a QB that plays amazing in crunch time...how can you possibly say it's luck?
You are really embarrassing yourself and jet nation with posts like this. If your going to say the Giants were lucky than the jets were just as lucky the last 2 years. Teams pulling starters to let you guys in in 09. Pass interference call against Denver on a hail mary in 2010. Cleveland fumbling in 2010 when they were in field goal range. Detroit passing the ball when they could've just run the clock down and given you very little time. Sanchez having an ungodly ammount of dropped interceptions. And I'm pretty sure you guys also had an insanely high percentage of recovering your own fumbles. Now I'm not the type to call that stuff lucky. It's just teams making plays. But if your going to call the Giants lucky than you can certainly say the same about the Jets the last 2 years.
