I don't think that he'll ever coach again outside of college all-star games and the like. A) He hasn't coached in a half decade B) Who would want to hire an old guy with boobs who had serious health problems 20 years ago? He's done as a coach and the voters know it. I agree with you that The Tit Man was a self-important narcissistic buttwipe. However, he has the W-L-T record, the two SB titles, the three SB appearances, and turned around four franchises. He's a lock HOFer, but it is now obvious that some voters do not care for him as a person and want him to sweat.
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Bill Parcells and Will Shields should have both been voted in this year. Parcells rebuilt the Giants, Jets, Patriots, Cowboys, and Dolphins. He took every one of those teams from the cellar and turned them into contenders. Will Shields played fourteen seasons without missing a game (started every game except the opening game in his rookie year), made 12 straight pro bowls, and is a memeber of the college football all century team as well as the college football hall of fame. These two men are what the HOF should be about. Willie Roaf was a great pick. He and Shields could have gone in together this year even though Roaf should have gotten in last year. Cris Doleman and Dermotti Dawson were ok picks as there two guys should have gotten in already, The wide receiver logjam madness continues as well. Cris Carter second only to Jerry Rice in just about every category is passed over again. Tim Brown and Andre Reed are among the greatest players to play for their respecetive teams yet they are passed over again. I am happy for Curtis Martin. If he were passed over this year, he could have just missed out each year until they forgot about him altogether. With the players to gain eligibility in the next few years the competition is going to get ridiculous. Cortez Kennedy doesn't really belong and putting him in over Parcells, Shields, and Carter is a joke.
What I bolded is not relevant to the issue at hand, but you know that. It is just side stuff. Anyway, yeah, both are well-deserving and it is just a matter of time. To me, Roaf was just as good as Shields. I'd use the positions played as a tie-breaker. T is a tad more difficult to play than G, so I'd go with Roaf over Shields. I don't have an issue with Kennedy. He was a major problem for guards and centers to deal with. He was an excellent pass rusher for an interior lineman and was stout against the run. Kennedy won the defensive player of the year award for a 2-14 team! The Seattle offense could not regularly stay on the field. There was a lot of punting in Seahawks games in 1992- partly because of Kennedy's fine performances and the inept Seattle offense. I agree, though, that Parcells, Shields, and Carter were better choices than Kennedy.
Congrats to my all-time favorite Jet! :martin: Finally, some good news for me on this otherwise terrible Super Bowl week.
So basically they're not electing him until he's six feet under?! Screw that, and his 'personality', he should be in. If you're gonna keep guys out because of personality then there's a lot of players that shouldn't be in. If you're gonna keep him out cause you're afraid he'll come back, big effing deal - Jim Brown and Franco Harris tried to come back. Wtf difference does it make if he's in the game 'after' he makes the HOF?
Cakes, What do you think the NFL will do with the huge log jam at receiver? In addition to Cris Carter, Andre Reed, and Tim Brown you could also make a decent case for Andre Rison or Irving Fryer (each had 84 TDs, tied for 16th in NFL history and over 10,000 receiving yards) if they weren't cometing against the 8 of the top 10 receivers in NFL history. With the rule changes, wide recievers today aren't even playing the same sport anymore. More than half of the top 100 leaders in receiving yards have retired since 2000 or are still playing in the league. If you look at receiving TDs the top 20 (all time) breaks down like this: 1. 197 Jerry Rice (2004) HOF 2. 153 Tie TO (2010) / Randy Moss (2010) 4. 130 Cris Carter (2002) 5. 128 Marvin Harrison (2008) 6. 100 Tie Largent HOF / Tim Brown (2004) 8. 99 Don Hutson HOF 9. 95 and counting Tony Gonzales TE (active) 10. 91 Isaac Bruce (2009) 11. 88 Don Maynard HOF J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets 12. 87 Andre Reed (2000) 13. 85 Tie (Paul Warfield HOF / Lance Alworth HOF / Hines Ward (active) 16. 84 Tie Tommy McDonald HOF / Mark Clayton (1993) / Irving Fryar (2000) / Andre Rison (2000) 20. 81 Art Powell (1968) Some very deserving receivers are going to get lost in the shuffle and the voters really screwed up by not electing Carter, Brown, or Reed before now. If Art Monk getting in didn't look bad before, wait until Hines Ward retires as one of the top 10 in TD receptions only to end up on the outside looking in.
The nice thing about the NFL HOF as opposed to other Sports HOF is that the Players getting inducted aren't pigeon-holed into one particular team. They go in as NFL Players. That way, in essence, that player's induction honors not just him but the Teams he's played for. In C-Mart's case, he basically went in as a Jets and a Patriots player.
I don't think there is a whole lot separating Reed, Brown, Monk and Carter, although I do feel Monk and Carter were better than the other two. None are on the elite tier (features guys like Rice, Warfield, and Alworth) but they are all worth serious consideration and of course, Monk is already in. Because of the way the passing game has gotten so outrageous, we cannot look at receiving numbers the same anymore. We have to examine guys based on their era. So what if Hines Ward has over 1,000 catches? That should not make him an automatic HOFer. (For the record, I'm not a big Ward-for-the-HOF guy.) Rison has no shot. Fryar has a shot but likely won't be a serious candidate anytime soon. He might get a look as a Senior candidate 30, 40 years from now. Bruce vs Holt will be interesting. I'm not even sure which one I prefer. Randy Moss should get in on the first ballot due to performance, but I can see the voters making him wait a year due to his admittance to taking plays off, the water bottle incident in Kansas City, and heading to the showers before a game ended in Washington, amongst other bad things. Terrell Owens will almost certainly wait a while due to being a colossal asshole and team wrecker. Marvin Harrison does not have a good yards per catch number. I am certain that this particular stat is a major reason why Monk had a long wait and is why Carter is having trouble. Harrison will be inducted but he may have to wait. To answer your question, Carter should make it in next year. Reed and Brown would then probably fall through the cracks and might not get inducted anytime soon. I actually do not support Reed for the Hall of Fame. I liken him to Billy Howton. Howton was really solid in his time, but not truly great. It is interesting to look at the leaderboard after the 1978 season. top 10 pass receivers through 1978 1. Charley Taylor, 649 2. Don Maynard, 633 3. Raymond Berry, 631 4. Fred Biletnikoff, 589 5. Lionel Taylor, 567 6. Lance Alworth, 542 7. Bobby Mitchell, 521 8. Billy Howton, 503 9. Tommy McDonald, 495 10. Don Hutson, 488 All are in the Hall of Fame except for Lionel Taylor and Howton. I suspect that 30-40 years from now when we examine the all-time leaderboard as it was through 2011, we will see that only 7, 8 or 9 of the receivers made it to the Hall of Fame.
Well deserved. It sucks that the induction will be on August 4th! I will be on vacation then. Me and my dad were talking about making the trip to Canton for Curt. So pissed.
And that is the problem with asshole writers voting for any HOF players in any sport. If you don't suck their dicks your entire career they will ruin your life when you retire.
