Holmes isn't really a vertical receiver though, he's a yac guy - and a very good one at that but he needs someone else to take the top off the defense so he has more space to work with.
Eli has a chance to win his 2nd superbowl this Sunday. When you watch him staring down the barrel of a gun that is Patrick Willis in the NFC championship game as if he doesn't even notice him and then release the ball to hit a receiver with very good accuracy just before getting pummeled you begin to understand why he's on the brink of elite. Eli is like the honey badger. Sanchez has a nice skill set, but he needs to get his head right. If faced with a similar situation Sanchez would probably turn the ball over or take a sack and get up looking like he is in so much pain that he just had a body part severed.
Makes me wonder if Sanchez hasn't been Joba'd. The Yankees mismanaged that kid's development so badly he's fairly useless much of the time. I wonder if there aren't some real similarities there.
The majority of NFL fans would rather rely on statistics to determine who is, and who is not, an elite QB. All you have to do is watch the games with your eyes and you can see who is, and who isn't, an elite QB. Eli got the crap knocked out of him against the 49ers and delivered a great performance, and the above is a perfect example.
I don't really care to compare a pitcher to a QB. There is nothing remotely similar to an NFL pass rush for a pitcher in baseball.
So that's your answer when talking about Eli, but when it came to the thread about whether Sanchez has ever had an elite performance, here was your answer: "Elite performances go something like 31/41, 410 yards, 5 TD's 0 INT's. Sanchez never had a single game like that." Here was Eli's stat line against the 9'ers - 32/58 for 316yds, 55.2%, 2TDs 0INTs. Not a bad line at all, but certainly not elite when going by your previously stated benchmark. So what's with the flip-flop?
I was talking about how Joba's head got messed up. Doesn't really matter what sport you're playing, if the people who manage you destroy your confidence, you're unlikely to be affective.
agree and thats what separates eli from sanchez. eli showed that same fortitude very early on in his career as well - which was criticized by many because his stats wernt that pretty.
Or effective. I don't know if he has confidence issues. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't know how a fan would know either way unless he or someone close to him specifically said so. Just listening to him talk I don't get that impression at all. When I say he needs to "get his head right", I am talking about how he processes and reacts in an NFL play from pre-snap all the way through to throwing the ball and everything in between
it really makes u wonder about these players. the 25 year old brain is not nearly mature enough to overcome and deal with the psychology of these situations - but they are paid handsomely and in some cases, given the entire burden of the teams success. thats what makes it such a crapshoot - especially at QB in the NFL.
Actually you're very likely to be affective in that situation. You're unlikely to be effective though.
I don't think Sanchez's head is the problem, he's proven he can handle a lot of situations in his first few years. This was the first time he's not had protection, had it at USC and his first two years here. It's a combination of improving the protection and him learning to deal with it better and cut down on turnovers.
I responded in that thread to what constitutes a hypothetical elite performance through statistics. But my point in this thread is that statistics do not tell the entire story. You actually make my point using Eli's stats in the 49ers game. They were hardly elite stats, but the way he performed against that smothering defense was an elite performance in my mind.
Sarcasm? Or is something divine happening? Is Sanchez going to have a real-life face-off recreating with Peyton Manning where Manning takes over Sanchez's body? Is it going to be like that Buffalo Wild Wings commercial, where he will get divine help to complete passes and/or prevent int's? Or are roughly 32-35 qb's going to come down with some virus that prevents them from playing next year and Mark Sanchez will be elite by default?
Sanchez always seemed to have confidence and charisma. Towards the end of this season he seemed flat and somewhat uninterested. I think a mix of things play into it. Having a system your not entirely comfortable with, having an o-line that cant stop pass rushers, having a bad relationship with your #1 reciever can all make someone flat. I think if Rex can address these issues it'll go a long way in making Mark the quarterback this team needs.
I have faith in Rex and know that we will have a strong defense for as long as he is around. Despite the posters here who say we have shit for a DLine, slow LBs, awful safeties, and only 1 decent CB, we somehow finish strong in most defensive categories. Coaching must play some role in that. Our offense has held us back for three years, and I believe that Rex will finally impose his will on the offensive side of the ball. We're going to be really boring on offense, and I think Rex wants it that way. Ultimately, the team's success hinges on Sanchez. He must improve, but will never be considered "elite" in this system, because he will not be asked to throw the ball 50 times a game. If he can just cut down on his mistakes, and make a few more big plays (his WRs could help him out here), that would help immeasurably. The problem for me is that there is a looming QB controversy when we sign a veteran to "push" Sanchez, and that controversy is going to become the focal point for the media and in the locker room. If Sanchez has a slow start, he could be fed to the wolves and we will be back to looking for short term answers at QB. IMO, we would then be assured of another decade of mediocrity.
Nice try but that doesn't add up. Sanchez's games over the past 3 seasons were not hypothetical, they actually happened. You stated that he never had an elite performance based on your definition, which was purely statistical. Now when talking about Eli the criteria suddenly change and statistics don't tell the whole story. You can't have it both ways.
Sure you can. Do you consider Sanchez performance against the Pats last year in the playoffs "an elite performance."?
