Brees made the Pro Bowl in his third season as a starter, and Rodgers made the Pro Bowl in his second starting season, so both were Pro Bowlers before they made as many starts as Sanchez's 53 NFL starts. Sanchez is no longer "green" except when viewed through the Jets green-colored glasses of his fanboys.
And your glasses are also misleading. Sitting on the bench counts as a season in the nfl. Rodgers started in his 4th year, not his 1st. So you can qualify your stats to point a negative light by saying "Starting seasons", but by doing that you completely ignore the benefit of sitting and learning for 3 years behind Favre. You really can't compare Sanchez and Rodgers by comparing Rodgers 4th/5th season in the league to Sanchez's 3rd year. What is your opinion on Flacco and Ryan? Funny how Ryan and Flacco are still considered young QB's who can improve, but Sanchez who is an NFL year younger and is considered to reach a peak and cannot improve. QB's can always improve, and we will see how Sanchez progresses. If we take more shots down the field and move Sanchez we should hopefully see a much more confident and better Sanchez. Add in the fact we know he can make comebacks if the defense falters, Sanchez has potential still. If Sanchez struggles mightily next year, we need to start looking for replacements. To call his career done now is just stupid. I believe he started the 10 season with 3/4 games in without throwing a single pick so the talent is there. Sanchez's biggest weakness is inconsistency, which we saw overall with our offense this year. If he remains inconsistent as the offense simplifies and becomes better, we start looking for a new QB. The offensive system it looks like we are implementing is going to be tailored to Sanchez's strengths so next year I expect to see improvement from him and the whole offense.
I think you are doing it right by looking at starts as opposed to seasons. Really it is impossible to say how much Sanchez was hurt or how much he benefited from playing right away. Ken Stabler made 2 starts in his first 5 seasons, but developed into an All-Pro and was league MVP in 1976. On the other hand, there are guys who started right away and proved early on that they sucked like Rick Mirer.
I only counted seasons where the QBs were starters because that's when they get actual game prep. It's the starters who get all the attention from the coaching staff while the backups get the leftover reps at best. Whatever the backups pick up while riding the pine, they learn on their own pretty much. In Rodgers' case, it's well acknowledged around the league that Favre, in his inestimable arrogant selfishness, didn't help Rodgers at all. He may have even been somewhat hostile. Ultimate team player, that Brett Favre. Moving Sanchez to an offense supposedly "tailored" to his strengths isn't going to help him much because his problems are NOT system generated. They are Mark Sanchez generated. His play this past season shows classic symptoms of a QB who doesn't understand what he's seeing across the LOS: holding the ball too long resulting in sacks and fumbles; throwing late, so that he throws behind receivers or worse, gets intercepted; making 1 read and then bailing to a check-off because he can't find open receivers down field. Changing offensive systems isn't going to change any of that. Sanchez has to do whatever it takes to learn to read defenses if he's not going to end up a "bust".
Never said he was, but look at their career trajectory through 3 years. Fuck 2 weeks before the playoffs of the SB year everybody was questioning if Manning was the guy in NY and there was speculation they were going to go in a different direction before he and the team got hot.
I knew before ever coming in this thread what the responses were going to be. No one seems to ever get the point of these comparisons. Very comical and very predictable. The point is, you don't give up on your QB after just 3 seasons. No matter how you slice it, it's a bad idea. It's not to say that Mark will turn into any of those guys, but history shows you need to give these QBs time to develop. It's not like he has been utter trash. You look at what he has done in the postseason, what he has done in the 4th quarter of games, the flashes of brilliance he has shown, you take that, and you build upon it. That is all.
I think we just need to give Sanchez a little more time fellas. He looks like a complete idiot out there at times but I think the guy has a some talent. Now if we can just get his head screwed on a bit tighter he'll be alright. The real comparison we should be look at between anybody and Mark is that he seems to be more of a basket case.
I completely agree with this, but at the same time these type of comparisons are getting really old really fast. I could go the rest of the year without seeing another thread comparing Sanchez to some HOF or future HOF QB. Can't people come up with other ways to argue that we shouldn't give up on our young QB already? These threads are boring.
Until eli manning won the superbowl no one believed him not saying sanchez will be like eli, but their comparison is the best
I will say that your opinion on QB busts should be well considered all things being equal Tell me how the 59 million dollar man stacks up
The problem with Ryan Fitzpatrick is that he doesn't have the physical equipment, ie a good enough arm, to be a great QB. He's got a million dollar brain and a fifty cent arm as it were. The problem with Mark Sanchez is that he's got all the tools to be a great QB, just not the football smarts: million dollar arm and a fifty cent brain. IMO, the QB whose main problems are physical can take a team further than a QB whose main problems are mental.
agreed OP. Mark is way ahead of the curve compared to qbs like brees and rodgers. Rodgers and Brees weren't even GOOD enough to play in their first three years. Mark has been to TWO AFCCG. put that in perspective kids. Some day y'all gonna look back at Mark sanchez and go damn should have known this kid had it from the start I ride and die with sanchez
I for one am excited to see Sanchez next season under Sparano's guidance. Not that I expect him to be an all-star, but if anyone will benefit from a total offensive reset, it's Sanchez. I read that Sparano talked a lot about getting back to square one and obviously he likes to run the ball, so I am looking forward to seeing if Sanchez is for real, once and for all.
I agree in your assessment of Fitzpatrick and Sanchez, but not in which you'd rather hand. Case in point, Chad Pennigton. He almost certainly fits your Fitzpatrick mold of poor equipment, great brain, but I would rather have a bit of a head case and great physical skills if forced to choose. Basically, if Sparano can get Sanchez' head in the game and decision making cleaned up, Sanchez could still be a good QB. I have my doubts, but I think the possibility is stronger than for a QB with weak physical skills but good mental make-up.
I rather compare Sanchez to Tim Couch, both drafted very high, Both forced to play from day one, both have very similiar stats starting from day 1. Im pretty sure Sanchez will be a bust just like Couch. Oh ya and that Couch took his team to the playoffs. Oh ya and his completion rate was way higher. Sanchez=Tim Couch.
Here's another factor: Look at Eli, Rogers, even Breeze. They are all ugly. None of them had to deal with Victoria Secret models getting naked for them or under aged hotties tossing their panties at them. Huge distraction. Hell, I surprised Mark even makes it to practice.
But the thing is the whole offense looked lost. We had 10/12 men in offensive huddles, players running in out late in the play clock, plays coming across late in the play clock, lot of motion, lot of receivers running into each other. I think getting a better system around Sanchez will help him. I'm not saying he will become elite, but I think he won't be a problem anymore. To be fair, our receivers weren't open too often and he had to bail to his check off a lot because of a lack of a pass protection. If we wanted to we could spend all day debating what caused what, but I think get him into a different system can help. He didn't check off or dump the ball off a lot in 09 or 10. It was something that became very noticeable this year only.
