Dude, everyone here knows you have emotional troubles bro. Its cool. but ewhat the fuck are you talking about? Are you sayin Im sabotaging the debate by making stuff I said disappear by editing? You may be taking yourself and this boiard a little too seriously. Whatever words appeared or disappeared after you quoted me was purely by happenstance and odd timing. And frankly, its not changing the argument any so who cares? About my being drunk and stone watching the Jet games- thats not me. Aside from the TGG tailgate I went to this year....which MANY people on this board can tell you that I am not a tailgate guy, I NEVER drink a single beer or smoke anything when Im watching the Jets. I'm home in my basement to avoid the wife and kids, pretty uneventable aside frm my screaming at teh TV. But again, who cares? As far as sighting some situational analysis, and possibly actual, specific events, well thats no problem. I mean the board is chock full of them in the game day threads. We've all screamed at the tv at the same plays this year no? And last year...and the year before. The Bronco pick-6. The int in the end zone on that first Buffalo drive. Poor decision example on that Buffalo one simply because that ball should never have been thrown. On top of it, there was a physical error by over throwing Keller ( I think Keller). Inacuracy...or lack of being accurate consistantly, is cetainly another short-coming of Sanchez that not just me, the funny guy with the shit stories, but a lot of people ackknowledge...or fear may be the case. But yes youre right in the sense that I dont know how "out of my depth" or whatever the fuck you said I am. But not because I dont understand situational football and blah blah, its because theres no way Im gonna sit on the board and go research or try to remember 25 different "bad plays" by Sanchez. Its silly. We can move on or we can keep arguing but I dont think anything Ive brought up about Sanchez is soooo out of the blue that where I earn my "TGG Respect", which is the gay picture you paint by mentioning I should stay in the bs forum, should be questioned. Again, who cares?
We hear a lot from the Giant's players on talk radio, and one themes that always come up is how can the Giant's have been SO bad SO many time during the regular season and now rattle of 5 'must win' games in a row and in the SB. The players always say they were not playing as a 'team' during the season players were playing for themselves. Then, after the 'Skins embarrassed the G-men at home they had a players meeting and decided as a team to put it together on the field. Moral of the story is ANY team that plays selfish can look very very bad, but the same team can look awesome all the way to the SB if they play connected, play as a true team. That's why locker room issues are so important. We were divided, not playing anywhere close to a 'team', which means we'll never know just how good we could have been. A team divided can not stand. The same team united plays in super bowls.
Groups do strange things when the leaders in the group don't have the full respect of the group. I would argue that with both Sanchez, a young guy still trying to prove himself, and Holmes, a loose cannon apparently taking random shots in the press off the record all season at everybody, the Jets were crippled in the leadership department from the get-go. Nick Mangold, another captain, got hurt early and was put in survival mode to get back on the field. He didn't have time to be sorting shit out between his team mates when he was dealing with a high ankle sprain that threatened to derail his season. Bart Scott, another captain, was struggling enough in pass defense situations that by the end of the season Rex and Pettine had largely removed him from the 3rd down pass defense packages. He probably was spending a lot of time focused on getting back on the field full-time given his need to excel - a need furthered by his treatment as the lesser half of the Raven's ILB's for a half a decade. The veteran leadership in the locker room that would have collectively told Holmes to sit down and shut the fuck up at some point were mainly gone as a result of the purge last season. No Shaun Ellis, no Damien Woody, no Jerrico Cotchery, etc. These guys would also have been backing up Sanchez, keeping that conflict from turning into a stalemate (sorry not gonna use the easy stereotype here) that hurt the locker room. Finally, Holmes best bud on the team Braylon Edwards was gone as well. He wasn't even getting friendly advice to tone it down a bit and help the team out. Instead he was getting a loud veteran in Derrick Mason going the opposite direction and amping him up. The 2011 Jets were a case study in how not to build a locker room. Too many guys pulling in different directions for different reasons and not enough veteran leadership to hold them together.
Who did you see him bumping chests with this season outside of once with Rex Ryan? Look at the youtube stuff of the Jets last season and you see Braylon and Holmes celebrating together all the time and sitting on the bench together and actually talking about stuff during the game, smiles and all. Look at the footage from this year and you get one big chest bump out of Ryan, which probably caused his goddamn lapband to slip and problems 10 days later in the Denver airport, and a lot of Holmes moping on the bench. Best bud might be a bad way to have put it but I didn't want to go with partners in crime, which is the other easy way to put it.
You don't want to defend such a bad overall team year, but you are right. People speak of the Jets as if they went 2-14.
Best bud's on the field, I guess I can see. But when it came to business, there is no friendship. Holmes and his agent played a role in Braylon not being re-signed, IMO, and nothing(and no one) will convince me otherwise.
He knew about it earlier in the year, after what was reportedly the initial blowup in like week 3 or 4. Apparently he did nothing.
Honestly, do you really believe Rex had absolutely no clue about how bad the locker room was? That's impossible. And if that IS true then I'd love to know where the hell he was all season long.
Tomlinson basically stated the following: that in any locker room, there are conflicts and the players usually handle it themselves with the veterans leading the way. But this year it got beyond where the vets could cool it off, and the coaches never stepped in to take control. He's throwig the coaches, and specifically Rex, under the bus.
Hahahahaha, awesome. I hope someone mistakes this for being real and flames you, that would make my night. Love this board.
I agree with you. In fact, I had a thread war a week or so ago stating that Ryan should actually be fired right now. Of course the Jets won't do it, but to me when someone loses utter control of the team like this, and his players are running around in a state of anarchy, that's a breakdown that means he's got no respect from his players. I'm already convinced he's not head coach material, but we're going to get at least another year to see if I'm wrong.
Lets be careful here, Revis actually said Rex did not know the severity of some of the main issues. He did not say he did not know at all. It is all about how you interpret what Revis said.
i have this fantasy where 90% of posters receive the quoted message as an auto-reply email every time they post here. and in a matter of weeks, this forum is transformed into a utopian football think tank.
i love this post. (and yes, i played. i started for four years on an ncaa baseball team and for two seasons on an undefeated college rugby side, and i've been throwing away cheesy trophies from football and softball rec "money" leagues ever since, so PLEASE don't tell me shit about "talent is everything" unless you're speaking from personal experience. i should note that i have played on teams where talent DID overcome terrible locker room bullshit, but it's the exception, not the rule. oh, and it sucks. chemistry (read: selflessness) is MORE important than even the maudlin journalists think, not less.)
