Not me, I'd never want Peyton in a big game. If Peyton was a big game QB he's have at least 3-4 SBs by now.
yeah, poor guy only had Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Joe Addai, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Pierre Garcon. How can anyone win w/ talent like that? If he wasn't such a choker they'd have 3-4 SB titles by now. If Brady is on those Indy teams they easily have 3 or 4 titles.
Tom Brady was winning titles having 18, 23 and 28 TD seasons, let's not pretend like he didn't have a better team around him. It was Brady's Pats knocking the Colts out of the playoffs every year, they had a better all around team, the Colts didn't have a defense. Manning didn't win it until his team could play defense. He's had his struggles in the playoffs, but I guarantee you if he was on a team with a better D, he would have 3+ titles by now. You want to talk about how much talent he had on that team, yet when he goes down, the team goes 2-14 in his absence.
Brady only had Randy Moss, better than any wr you listed, and still couldn't win the Super Bowl. Rings are a team accomplishment, thats why not only the QB gets them. Put Manning with a solid defense, run game, and special teams and he has 3 easily. Look at Brady the last few years playing with a team that isn;t balanced like the Colts were with Manning, 0 super bowls.
it just amazes me how we have access to so much more info than ever before, we can learn so much about this game yet the average fan still leas on the meaningless fantasy statistics. Did you know that the "great" Pats defenses have allowed more pts in regulation than the "crappy" Indy D's? Indy has allowed 355 in 19 games for an 18.7 average NE has allowed 400 in 21 games for a 19 average Did you know that in playoff losses Peyton has led his high powered Os to 14.2 PPG? Did you know that in playoff losses Brady has led his O's to 17.8 PPG? In playoff losses Indy's Ds have allowed 22.5 PPG in regulation In playoff losses NE's D's have allowed 28.6 PPG Look at all the meaningless fantasy #s you want but w/ all that talent Peyton has come up small far too often. heck, just look at their SB losses. In Brady's he led his team 80 yds for a TD in the final minutes to give his team a 4 pt lead, in Manning's trailing by a TD and driving in Saints territory he threw an INT for TD that ended any hopes- that basically sums the two of them up. Brady had Moss at his peak for one year and they ernt undefeated in the reg season and lost in the SB after Brady led his O 780 yds for the go ahead score very late in the game. Manning had Harrison for many years at his peak, he had Wayne for many years at his peak, Addai, James, Clark, etc... while Brady was winning SBs w/ Antowain Smith and Troy Brown. Brady just made a SB w/ a D as bad as any that Manning ever had.
Wait you are falling back on regular season wins to show Brady did well with Moss? In the AFC championship that great QB threw 3 interceptions but luckily his defense did not let up a single TD off turnover. I don't think the Colts ever did that for Manning. Brady led the greatest offense anyone had seen for a while to a grand total of 14 points. That Super Bowl loss is on him and that offense. I don't understand how you blame the Pats defense for that loss when a team that had relied on its amazing offense all year couldn't muster more than two touchdowns. That loss falls squarely on Brady as that game should have never been that close. 14 points?! And you know how he started that last drive with 3 timeouts just having to get into field goal range... taking a sack and losing yards and burning a time out. You can't just look at stats straight up like that because it includes Brady's defenses after his Super Bowl runs when he started carrying the team on his back. The defense after the Super Bowl runs was worse than 01-04. Remember in 06 when Brady played with a poor defense, Manning came back down 21-3 I think and won the game? I don't think Brady had to come back from multiple score deficits so late in the playoffs. To bring up another example of stats being skewed, look at the 2005 game where the pats won 20-3. The Colts D let up 16, 15, 14 play drives ending in points. All these drives also took tons of time off the clock. Are we going to blame Manning for that? Look at the Indy-Pitt game where Vandejagt misses. You think Vinateri misses that field goal? Look at our second Indy-Jets game. That great Indy defense/special teams lets us get into field position very easily to win the game after Manning threw a nice pass to Clark who couldn't haul it in on 3rd down. We cannot look at stats really, we would all need to go back and watch the games. From I watched, I think you can put Manning on the Pats and he would have 3 super bowls, maybe more. I think you could put Brady on the Colts and they would have a super bowl. I don't think Tom gets 3 or 2 in Indy. You have t to remember that defense was built on Manning getting the lead. They always had trouble stopping the run since they had smaller players. They depended on Manning to put them in a position where they could unleash Mathis/Freeney to just run after the QB. That whole team was fit around Manning and this why when he went down they dropped off so signficantly. Much more worse than the Pats drop off when Brady went down and the Colts had all off season to prepare and the Pats only one week.
Brady led the Pats to the go-ahead TD late in the game. If the Pats defense wraps up Manning, knocks the ball away from Tyree, Asante Samuel makes the pick when the ball hit him right in the chest or Hobbs doesn't get burnt on a fade route, the Pats win that game. How can you possibly blame Brady for the Giants last drive?
when Manning had comparable talent(90% of his career) did he ever lead his team to an undefeated record? so he threw 3 INTs? some games you need to score a ton and others you don't, he was lucky to face another legendary choker in Philip Rivers who threw ZERO TDs w/ 2 INTs and even after Brady's 3 INTs he led them to the TD to put them up 21-12 then when he got the ball back w/ 9 mins left(still an eternity to play) he led NE on a drive that ended the game. 3 INtas don't explain that. It's not like Manning's 2 INTs against SD the week before where up 10 -7 in the final minute of the first half Manning threw an INT that prevented at least 3 pts or his 2nd INT which was w/ the ball at the SD 4 which cost at least another 3 pts then he had TWO shots to win the game and failed. The Pats O struggled in the SB but he didn't turn it over and he led his O 80 yds int he final minutes before asking his D to hold a mediocre offense out of the EZ. That SB loss is on the D- the difference btw the first SB win, 2nd SB win and this SB loss is when the NE D choked in those 1st two they left Brady time but this time they didn't. In Brady's 3 SB runs the D allowed an average of: 2001: 15.7 pts 2003: 19 pts 2004: 17 pts In Manning's lone SB run the D allowed an average of 12.8 PPG Other years they allowed 19 pts or less per game in postseason: 1999 2000 2003 2008 2009 2010 you blame the D for allowing time consuming drives but not the O for scoring 3 points? In SB XXV the Giants held it for 40 mins but the Bills O still scored 19 pts and had a great chance to win. Indy had 10 legit possessions and scored a FG- that's on the offense. By the way, in SB XXXVIII NE held the ball longer than they did in that playoff game against Indy yet the Panthers led by jake Delhomme scored 29 points. Put Manning on the Pats and they MIGHT have 1 SB title, put Brady on Indy and they have at least 3-4. The difference in the 2 teams in this era has been at QB. NE had a huge dropoff after Brady went down despite an incredibly weak schedule, Indy dropped off but they didn't have a comptent QB. An average QB w/ Indy would have won many more games PLUS Indy quit early in the season. In Manning's SB run the D allowed
It's amazing how Manning backers can make an exuse for Manning throwing an INT for a TD that ended a SB for Indy and bash Brady for leading his team 80 yds late int he game w/ the SB on the line.
None of them played defense, did they? Was it Manning that game up 43 points when the Jets beat them 43-0 in a playoff game?
if he had a descent defense any of those years, he probably would've had most rings by any qb in the history of the nfl
It was 41 points and no Manning wasn't playing defense that day but he was playing offense where he led his O to ZERO points. You can win games allowing 41 pts, it's impossible to win scoring ZERO. He had decent defenses the majority of his career, the reason they didn't win more was b/c Peyton choked.
Fortunately, you have no say in who they will bring in. Just as Favre was 100 times better than Pennington even in the final years of his career, Manning is 100 times better than Sanchez will ever be even now without having played for an entire year.
Unfortunatley, Manning can not even lift his right arm up past his shoulder. He's probably played his last NFL game.
yet Favre led us to 9-7 and Chad led a much less talented Miami team to 11-5 and the div title and last I checked in '09 & '10 Sanchez helped us win more postseason games than Manning helped his team win and we split w/ them.
