Tannenbaum is a step above the Redskins mess prior to bringing in Shanahan. There's no question he gets better results, because the Jets have been in the playoffs in 3 of the 6 years he has been GM. There's also no question that he gambles heavily with his resources the same way the Skins do and that he will eventually bring the team to ruin in the process. It's just a question of when. One ruinous process would be to trade Sanchez, sign Manning and then have Manning fall away after a year or two with no better results than the Jets have had over the last 6 years and a declining roster. There is no quick fix in the NFL. Teams that have tried for the quick fix in the past have fallen short at the end. The trophies go to the teams who play the established talent acquisition game the best over a series of years and have it pay off in the end.
Really abz!? The Colts were a contender only because of Manning and of the other couple of picks he didn't get wrong in 10 years. Except for that the Colts sucked...
I think that's all mostly true, but the bigger issue facing the Jets is that no team enjoys long term success without stability at the quarterback position, and whether Sanchez is that guy is still very much a question.
I was speaking specifically about his high round draft picks after 2007 and what it cost to get them. I had forgotten Keller, he maybe should have gone in the second but wasn't as bad as the others.
I know Sanchez is still a question mark, but he's the kind of question mark that teams live or die with. If he continues to progress and mature we've got an excellent shot at a Lombardi trophy with him, maybe more than one. If he fails then we're back to the drawing board. We have to give him the time to fail though and enough support that when he fails we can see it clearly and know that it's time to fold this build up and go on to the next thing.
I'd rather someone assist Tanny with choices. He's a great cap guy, and with a little help can sign quality players.
I think that's what's actually happening. I also think it's why the Jets have not been able to take the next step. Having a good pro personnel department is not the same thing as having the process skewed towards a failed strategy by the guy who failed with it.
I sense a progression in your views on Sanchez, so I will modulate my view of your position on him accordingly, and Ftr I don't count myself as one who says it should be obvious the Jets should get rid of Sanchez now. As a practical matter this means I generally agree with what you say about him. But as for Tanny, we know enough now to know that the move of trading up for the fifth pick in the draft, and picking Sanchez, was not a move to Tanny's credit. We can say that today. We don't have to wait to see what happens. We already know with reasonable certainty that Mark will not be a top five Qb ever. Add the Sanchez pick to the other negatives by Tanny, and ftr as some who mentioned Harris as a plus should acknowledge, Harris is overrated by too many here, too. Gholston, VD, and Schlegel may have merely been his most obvious horrible picks, but Shonn Greene has been mediocre, Wilson still underperforms for a first rounder, Keller also disappoints as a first rounder, and meanwhile the Jets don't have a pass rusher, fast linebacker, backup Qb, OL bench strength, and a good safety on the roster. I consider myself a fan of Cromartie's, unlike many here, but the way Tanny went after Aso and then had to get Cro meant that he had to overpay Cro to get the deal. Bad move. Tanny also screwed up when Turner went down last pre-season, chose Holmes over Edwards, and generally has gotten players who are not too strong in the good guy good teammates department. Add all these up and they definitely outweigh his good moves. Beyond that, who is gonna pay for the current condition of the team? If you leave these guys in place, the message is the current leadership is doing an acceptable job. They are not. Ryan will stay, but Tanny should go. This is a test of Woody's ownership.
How can Rex stay if Woody wants a great GM to come in and build his team for him? Isn't the first prerogative of any GM the right to choose his coach? It's really a mess. I think if next season turns into a problem we get a clean sweep for once and Woody hires somebody that he believes is capable of building his great team from the ground up.
Not sure if Tanny would take the demotion. But, yes, he needs to lose his job as GM and Polian needs to brought in to fix this sinking ship..
Well, they signed Cromartie to play along side Revis. They drafted Wilson to be the nickel. Wilson has worked out pretty well, I'd say.
Abyz, When Polian was first fired, I initially felt the same as you. He built the early Panthers team coached by Dom Capers that was the most successful beginning franchise in NFL history. He made a lot of great picks for Indy. To be sure, I googled the recent Colts drafts and was shocked. He had largely stepped aside, and his son Chris (I believe) was primarily serving as the GM and Bill was acting in an advisory capacity. The last 5-6 Colts drafts have been awful. They've gotten a few decent players, but whatever success the Colts have had over the last few seasons prior to 2011 was due to Manning and the WRs and TEs they had. Their D has been mostly awful. While I think Tanny should be fired, especially if this draft and FA period doesn't significantly address their holes or if he trades up again, I'm just not sure that Polian is the guy I'd want to come in and take his place any more. Oakland got a guy, Reggie McKenzie, that I'd loved to have seen come to the Jets. Barring him or someone else from GB, I'd look for someone in either the Steelers or Ravens personnel/scouting depts.
This is ridiculous and getting out of control can we start banning people who write foolish threads...
Not necessarily. The GM's job would be one going forward, improving the roster and cap situation. Whether he would have a conflict with Ryan would depend on whether there is an overall difference in philosophy about what kind of team they want to have. It depends. Btw the Jets do have some cap problems, so that's another problem with Tanny.
Ozzie didn't want Rex as HC in Baltimore. The brain trust there concurred and so Rex had to find his opportunity elsewhere. I'm thinking that with Rex's peculiarities it might be hard to find a really good GM that was a fit with him. It'd be like finding a room-mate that could live with your Shi-tzu's farts and late night growls.
