Which is more successful: A Offensive minded HC who hires a DC OR, a Defensive minded HC that hires an OC? I'm not so sure both are equal as OC's tend to get hired as HC's a bit more often I suspect.
Most first time OC's have position coach experience only. Sparano has had four years as a Head Coach and a couple more before that as Assistant Head Coach in Dallas. Ample preparation, unless you think only retreads can be successful?
Sparano was largely a failure as a head coach. He had an impressive turnaround of a terrible team vs. a soft schedule and made it to the playoffs but never won a playoff game. His offenses weren't particularly successful either. His offenses never cracked top 10 in PPG or YPG. 2011: 20th PPG, 22nd YPG 2010: 30th PPG, 21st YPG 2009: 15th PPG, 17th YPG 2008: 21st PPG, 12th YPG That's an average of 21.5 in PPG and 18th in YPG. Color me unimpressed. Is that even an upgrade of what Schotty accomplished while here? When he was actually calling plays he had someone else handling the passing side of the game plan. He also wears sunglasses all the time and pumps his fist like a giant asshole after FG's.
Sure, but he wasn't the offensive coordinator. I'm not saying he's definitely going to succeed, just that he's had the chance to make mistakes and see things from another perspective that should give him a headstart over, for example, a QB coach or a receivers coach who've never coached a whole offense, let alone a whole team.
So being the HC of a team whose offense sucked makes him a good offensive coordinator candidate because he wasn't the offensive coordinator of the team? I'm really confused and not understanding what it is about his tenure in Miami that makes him a good offensive coordinator candidate. The team he was the HC of was a failure and so was his offense.
Again, I have heard much about how Ryan thinks Sparano looks at the game pretty much as he does, and that Ryan thinks that Sparano will translate that common understanding if you will into an approach on O that complements Ryan's approach on D. But why they could not have gotten someone with a better track record doing the things an OC does is not clear to me. That would have been the way I would have gone.
I would assume it was because Shotty was forced onto Rex because of the relationship between Shotty/Tanny I don't think Rex wanted Shotty so to speak.
He didn't call the plays in Miami, thats the point. The one year he did call plays he was successful, has been in the NFL forever, and Rex picked him. Seems good enough for me
No shit he didn't call plays in Miami, that has been said over and over and over again. The guy I was responding to said that his time as a HC made him more than qualified because he was a HC for 4 years. I'm trying to figure out what about being a failure of a HC with a failure of an offense makes you qualified to call an offense. It's like saying Rex Ryan is qualified to be an offensive coordinator because he's been a HC for 3 years. And once again, when he called plays in Dallas he had Haley as his sidekick. That's why I wanted to land that douchebag. Sparano was responsible for the run game calls in Dallas. Haley was the pass plays.
A head coach oversees the OC and knows his remit. He sees the mistakes being made and hopefully absorbs the lessons that follow. Maybe this guy won't be successful, hopefully he will. All I'm saying is that overseeing a whole team, including an OC, will offer more insight into what it takes to be successful in that role than any amount of time working with three or four QBs only.
So then Rex Ryan would be a good OC candidate if he were fired next year? Because he saw the failures of the Jets offense and hopefully learned lessons from them?
Rex is a defensive coach. He doesn't take a whole lot to do with the offense. It's a completely different set of circumstances.
Seems like posters here actually think a guy could be given a Head Coaching job in the NFL without knowing anything about pass offense. I'm sure even Rex knows a ton about pass offense simply based on his experience trying to stop it. I find it funny that people think Sparano won't be able to call effective passing plays. He's already been a fuckin coach in this league and called plays before. If he fails as an OC it won't be because he had no experience in pass offenses.
Who said he doesn't know anything about passing offense? Obviously he knows SOMETHING about passing offense and obviously there's a reason Sparano needed Haley when he was a "play caller" in Dallas. Dallas was where he was a successfully "play caller" - the offenses he oversaw in Miami were no better than the bullshit we've been watching the past 6 years. You want to stick your head in the sand and pretend this is a great hire, so be it. I am skeptical about it and I think for good reason. Does that mean I think he's destined to fail as an OC, no. Maybe OC is his calling in the NFL and he'll turn us into a top 10 offense. I have my doubts. I would have much preferred promoting a competent person from a successful offense to be our OC.
If I am a promising offensive mind, I am not coming to the Jets - divisive locker room, slow defense that can't pressure the QB, porous OL, WRs that suck. RBs who can't stay healthy even during the course of a fucking game. Are you fucking kidding me?
That may be true, but there's something to be said for striking while the iron is hot. I think they could still be interested in being promoted if given the opportunity. Do we know if the Jets even interviewed anyone besides Sparano? I think I'm coming across as more negative about Sparano than I am by the way. I think he does bring some good things to the table like discipline, general offense beliefs (protecting the QB, taking shots down field), coming from the Parcells tree. There's just nothing on the resume that makes me excited that our offense can become great.
I think that, at the very least, we'll see some improvement on offense because Sparano will force us to recommit to running the ball, something we've shown we can do well in the past.
