Maybe I should put it in my signature. If the 3rd year is the breakout year then Brees, Manning #2, Thiessman, Phil Simms and a host of other QBs would be out of football or never had the opportunity to become great. You stating Mark regressed is clearly not fact because his stats progress. Granted - based on what we were hoping for, it was regression but the fact remains he improved statistically. If you want to throw out the statistics and go on intangibles, then you accept the fact that Mark is abetter QB than Rivers, Matt Ryan, and a bunch of others. So which measurement do you want to go on - stats which show mark improved? Or intangibles - which show that Mark is a better playoff QB and wins when he needs too? You can't have a double standard. And don't start the argument that he road the coat tails of a great D & running game - both of which regressed in 2010 from 2009. The team improved from 9-7 to 11-5.
You guys need to think longer term than next year, and look at all the facts. Manning had to sit out an entire year because of multiple neck surgeries. There's absolutely no guarantee at all, and perhaps there's even an unlikelihood, that he can perform as he did previously. He'd be bound to be quite rusty, and would have to either learn a new system himself or bring his system along and teach it to an entire team. So 2012 would be as close to a throwaway year as there can be as he assimilates himself back into the league. Secondly, he's going to be 36 when the season starts. At BEST, and by that I mean with all things going his way, him staying healthy, and him not losing anything, he's got 2-3 years of quality football left. In three years, no more Manning, and the Dolphins will be rebuilding because you can't pay an all-time great, and give his team enough to satisfy them, without hurting yourself for the future. Let someone else mortgage their future for a wing and a prayer. We've tried that, and it's gotten us nowhere.
Clueless? And what vacuum are you operating from that you think it will be easy to get him without sacrificing elsewhere? Ever hear of the salary cap?
I think he's right in that a simple ground and pound attack is unlikely to win in this pass-happy NFL. But a good running game is essential because it opens the door for the QB to do more. And having the ability to run when you need to (kill clock in the 4th quarter anyone?) is a huge plus.
Dude really? The TExans' defense was brutal in 2010, and that's what made them an 8-8 team. Prior to that, they had no RB worth talking about, and now they have Arian Foster who is a BEAST. I think you're completely wrong and if they have just about any QB behind that line and with that defense and running game, they probably get the 2nd bye and the Ravens would have been in Houston - and Houston would have won easily. The Ravens are old and inconsistent while Houston is young and hungry. Without Jacoby Jones playing ping pong with the ball and his helmet, the Texans might even have won the other day.
There's no shot he takes a small contract. He's going to get big money and it's just like a Jet fan to think he won't. And that's speaking as a Jet fan too. The reasons you want him here (all-time great, smart, etc) are the reasons he'll get a big contract. A first ballot hall of famer doesn't become a free agent every day.
Even if Peyton is healthy enough to play and the Colts somehow decide to let him go we have nowhere near the cap room to bring Peyton in, if we somehow did we would be in cap limbo and be completely fucked when it comes to the rest of the team's needs. /thread
You are assuming two things that are flawed: 1. Manning wants as much money as he can get, and will sacrifice winning to get it. 2. The Jets are are a mess. The first is flawed because he has already earned more money than he will ever need. And you assume that he would take more, with only a few years left in his career, to play for a bad team. i really do not think that is the case for a guy who wants to be the GOAT. The second is that this team is a mess. It is a far from a mess. There are good pieces in place, and most of the drama is because of Sanchez and Schotty. One guy is gone and the other will be gone if Manning comes here. Other than that, what are the holes: 1. RT 2. OLB/DE 3. WR 4. Safety 5. Back-up TE Do you really think that will not be addressed? If Manning comes here, Tone is staying, and Wayne is probably coming too. Add those 2 to Kerley and a probable 2nd day pick, and you are set at WR. Back-up TE is easy too. OLB or Safety is being addressed in the 1st round, and the position that is not, will be addressed via free agency and/or a 2nd day pick. That leaves RT. Again, Manning here makes whoever starts at RT better. Whether it is Rob Turner, a free agent, a rookie, etc.., it will not be a problem. So, I am not sure how this team is a mess. With an easy schedule next year, solid players up and down the roster, a defensive minded coach with already a solid defense, a solid running game, and a solid left side of the line, you can do a lot worse if you are Manning. As for setting the team back by getting Manning, i dont buy it. Sanchez is gone within 365 days no matter what. If Manning doesnt work out, you dont lose anything. If he does though, you get one of the top 5 qb's of all time, who will be motivated and hungry. This is arguably a match made in heaven, and one of the few times where the the great player compliments the needs of a team and vice versa.
There are people that dont want Manning no matter what. I have discussed all issues associated with Manning in this and other threads. But for people to say no to Manning because of Sanchez is just flat out bat shit craziness..
Dude, you are delusional. Look at the holes you listed. Those are some very expensive positions to address either early in the draft or in FA. You also have a pretty deluded view of the state of the team and what kind of money Manning will be looking for. If you think that guy is going to settle for 10-15 mil per year to play for this team, you really don't understand the reality of the situation. You seem to think that media pressure will sway him toward the Jets, while it's the media that has been mercilessly shredding the Jets locker room since the season ended. Not even close to a rational line of thinking.
There's no way Manning takes anything near Vet Minimum if he's even healthy enough to play, our cap space next season is limited as it is and we have Sanchez with a lot of guaranteed money that would be essentially a backup making starter money if this happened, If we did SOMEHOW get Manning I'm expecting nothing less than a 10m cap hit from his contract so how the FUCK do you expect to fill the rest of the glaring holes on our team?
Look, I dont talk as though I know what is in Peyton's mind because I am not Peyton Manning. All I know is that he has made more money than he will ever need, has said countless times how he wants to win, and that he has a small amount of time left in the NFL. That leads me to think that he might not want every last penny he can get. That maybe instead of getting 20 million with a shitty team, and potentialyl wasting 2 years while they get better, he might take less to come to a team that has talent, and is really just him away from 14+ wins and a SB title. The money will be made up via advertising deals, and he can have a shot to win here. So, he might get more with the Redskins, but will a 36 year old qb who probably needs 2 more rings to be the GOAT, really want to play there? To me, the answer is no. Maybe to Manning that answer is yes, but based on what I know about him, that doesn't seem like that would be his answer either.
I don't want to get on you too hard, I don't know you and vice versa, but I think you are way too optimistic. First of all, when was the last time a professional athlete said "I have enough money, I will forego a big payday"? Doesn't happen. He may take LESS from one situation than from a less attractive one, but he isn't going to play for peanuts just to win. Second, this team is absolutely a mess right now. Forget the holes that you listed, all of which are significant, but what about the coach? You think Manning is going to come here for less when there are major holes, a coach who blabs all the time and a lockerrom full of selfish guys who are taking shots at everyone in sight?
When did I say he was playing for like a million bucks? Manning will still get 12-15 million dollars to play for the Jets. He just wont get 20. And I think his ceiling is a 20 million deal. I am saying right now that he will not get more than a 4 year, 80 million dollar deal with 35 guaranteed. That is his ceiling, and for good reason. But would he do 4 years, 55-60 million, with about 30 guaranteed to play for a better team? That is what I am saying.
Brett Favre, part 2. But now he has a bad neck instead of an arm injury. Yeah, not worth it in the long run in my opinion and I just don't see Manning leaving Indy.
See I agree with all of that, he may take less from a contender but they will have to promise all sorts of incentives. And the ad money doesn't mean anything, he's already on 200,000 commercials (or so it seems). But the reality is that the Jets aren't as close to contending as you seem to think they are, and that's going to be a major factor for him.
I'm a Sanchez guy, but I agree that some posters' resistance to the idea of bringing in Manning is a bit too much. The simple truth is, a healthy Peyton Manning, doing what he does, could make a huge difference for this team. The brass have to consider bringing him in if he's available, and willing, to come here.
Lol our cap room for next season is pretty miserable, somewhere around 20m so I still want you to explain to me how the rest of our glaring holes get filled with us giving Manning a 12-15m deal with most of that being guaranteed.
You know what I think?: Who cares right now. We can argue it until we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, we have absolutely zero say in what happens. The draft hasn't even occurred yet, the season isn't even over. Manning will do what Manning wants to do. There is nothing else to it. I see threads everyday on shit like this, and frankly, what does it solve? It's an on-going debate that doesn't need to be on-going. Time will tell.
