There is more coaching talent floating around right now than there has been in a long time. Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy (and I believe he is really retired but could he resist the chance to come in and fix the Jet's locker room if Rex went boom in the next month?), etc. If the Jets were going to make a change organizationally now is one of the buyer's markets to do that in. Lots of talent available and some of it itching to get back on the sidelines. I'm not suggesting a fire Rex campaign, because I think he's earned the right to try to fix his mess, but this off-season is already a giant clusterfuck for the Jets and I wouldn't be surprised to see it spin out of control some more and make things impossible for the current regime. Basically anybody they cut is going to start flapping his jaws big time and who knows what comes out when that happens?
I swear, every time they decide it's time to make an org change, it's off cycle. If they do end up firing Rex a year or two down the line, the head coaching candidates will be the typical vanilla crew of failure re-treads. So they'll settle for another rookie. Not that any of those coaches you listed are sure bets to fix anything on this team.
I'd rather have rex than a Cowher, Fisher, Dungy, Gruden. Look at what Pitt has done since Cowher left? Gruden was a bust after he won w/ the great yteam he inherited, Dungy barely won a SB w/ all that talent(needed one of the luckiest draws of all time), Fisher had 6 winning records in his career. are we questioning Rex now? the stupidity is never ending around here. as a fanbase we just don't deserve a winner.
If you're not questioning Rex right now to a certain degree you're not watching events very closely. I recognize that you prize stability and are always in favor of the status quo, and that's not a bad thing to have around, however the Jets are in as much trouble right now as they have been since the 2007-2008 fiasco. I think Rex can probably pull this one out of the fire if he adapts to the fact that his mouth is a problem, his defense is not as strong as it looks and his offense is in total disarray. The question is can he really do that? Eric Mangini looked really good after 2006 and he was toast two years later.
It's more then fair to start wondering if Rex is the right guy for the job. The consecutive AFC championships shows him and the team have the talent to win a championship. But just like a talented player, at some point you have to get over that hump.
Eric Mangini made one postseason and lost in the WC round, rex did something no jets HC has ever done and that's make back to back title games. As "bad" as this season was we were still 8-8, does rex need to tweak some things? absolutely but am I thinking about another coach? Not for a second. Teams have bad years, this team had turmoil around it the first 2 years but won, we will always have some drama but I expect we'll win again next year. We finally have a coach that wants to be a here long term and is one of the best in the game and we want to talk about retreads that were known more for playoff failures than the lone SB they did win. Rex is the best thing to happen to this franchise in my lifetime, I look forward to many years of him leading us deep in the playoffs.
It's really going to come down to how Rex reacts to what is going on right now. He can fix this but he has to go and do that. If he just hangs out in Rex mode we're probably in trouble next season and he's probably fired as a result. He's in the crucible right now. What does he do about that?
Are you responding to me with that nonsense? It would be weak-minded NOT to question Rex after the season we just had, although I don't see anyone with a brain around here calling for Rex's head. Right now we are discussing the possibility of his firing. Hypothetical, junc. You get that concept, right? I'd rather have Rex than those guys, too.
If they don't fire Schotty, Rex will be gone in a few years, simply because he failed to address it. Schotty's gotta go, if our team is going to be the future of the AFC East, and Rex and Sanchez will become what Bellachick and Brady are. Isn't Martz available now? He was pretty good at establishing the run and playing to the strengths of the Bears.
Martz was forced by Lovie Smith to run the ball. Just like Schotty has been forced to revert to his Ground And Pound playbook whenever his West Coast Turdfest offense went tits up. Until recently, at least. Mike Marts would be a worse choice than bringing back Schotty.
To question him? ok but to discuss other candidates? that's silly. Everything needs to be questioned right now but that doesn't mean we make crazy changes.
I'm not advocating crazy changes, and neither was B'way, he brought up a hypothetical situation and mentioned how ideal the talent pool was this year. I mentioned that the Jets never make organizational changes in an ideal cycle. Someday you're going to realize why people view you as a homer, junc. You may be champ's age when it happens, but it'll happen.
anyone who views me as a homer doesn't understand what a homer is. I criticize all the time, I praise when they deserve it and criticize when they deserve it. It's a silly discussion especially w/ half the board ready to jump off a bridge b/c we missed a postseason. I'm not someone who jumps ship at the first sign of water.
I don't remember Schotty ever successfully establishing the run this year, besides against garbage teams. I still blame him 100% for the Giants loss. Any OC that we hire needs to be quizzed before taking the job. "You are down 6 points, with 5 minutes to go. Greene is averaging 4.1 yards a carry and the pass game is struggling. You have the ball on the 50 yard line. What are your calls at this point in the game?" If anyone says "pass, pass, pass" they instantly fail and should probably just be put out of their misery and go coach high school football. Or how about this: "You have the ball on 2 yard line, with a 1st and goal. Greene has been tearing up the defense the entire drive. What do you call?" The answer is not, take out Greene, and try 3 pass plays, then a run up the middle with LT. Or: "You have a 2nd a 20. What is your next 2 calls?" If the answer is run, then play action fake, then you fail at football and probably life in general. Bye Schotty.
In judging Ryan, part of the problem is assessing relative blame for certain things. Some here are sure he has no real role in personnel decisions, for example. I find that hard to believe, but what if it's true? Let's say he's not. How do you view Ryan in terms of what happened with Holmes? Holmes definitely had a track record before coming to NY, despite his talent. But is it then Ryan's fault when Holmes had his issues? That is also a problem going forward, and so much of what seems to be issues going forward concern what can be done with the roster. Roster changes are always a big issue in off seasons, but imo this year it is bigger than usual. Now I happen to think Ryan and the rest of the CS does have a significant say in roster moves, so that will go into what happens to him. Same for Ryan's role in managing the O, but that is another one we really don't know his relative responsibility.
I think Rex has plenty involvement in FA acquisitions, just not in the draft, as he has admitted on many occasions. I think people have trouble separating the two when it comes to understanding his role in player acquisition. He knows established NFL players from game film study. He doesn't do the same type of research in the draft, which is why he only gets one pick in every draft, if what he says about that is true.
