uh...he has a quick release AND their OL gave up more sacks than the Jets. It's not the offensive line, it's the QB and ours sucks.
It's silly to blame one factor. It's the QB, it's the OL, it's the receivers, it's the slow-developing plays.
Of course but a lot of deficiencies can be overcome by a good QB and that is why it is the most important position on the field..GB's line isn't great, neither is NE's, Pittsburgh's? Don't really know about any others but those teams are always good..why?
You are right Don - those teams have franchise QBs. Franchise QBs grow on trees, so hopefully Tannenbaum can go pick one up in the off-season. We shouldn't be wasting our time trying to develop a QB, so let's just dump him to the curb and pick-up this year's Kevin Kolb or Rob Johnson. At any one time in the NFL there are a very small number of elite QBs. If it was that easy to get one, anyone could be an NFL GM. They can hide so many warts and allow your team alot of leeway to make up for misses in FA, the draft and deficiencies elsewhere on the team. For those teams that don't have a franchise QB - and right now there are about 25 of them - they have to work to shore up other areas on the team. You and others have an unrealistic expectation of how fast an NFL QB should develop. There is virtually no "blueprint" to follow and track the development of a QB drafted from college after his junior year with only 16 college games of experience. Attempting to compare Sanchez after 3 years of NFL experience to Rodgers/Ben/Brady is comparing apples and oranges. Those guys had four years of college football experience and in two instances spent a year + on the NFL bench before starting. When Ben and Brady initially stepped on the field, both teams had really good offensive lines and running games complimented by strong defenses. The Jets were in an eerily similar situation in 2009 and 2010 - the fundamental difference being that our QB was about two years developmentally behind Ben and Brady at comparable stages when he stepped on the field. Had the 2011 Sanchez version started as a rookie in 2009 we may be talking about a team that won a Super Bowl. Instead, despite his stunted progress he was good enough to take the team to back-to-back AFCCG appearances. The problem is that final 8 rules hampered the team's ability to sign even lower level FAs and the team's efforts in closing the talent gap to replenish the post-Parcells team required them to trade extra DPs to draft and bring in more blue chip players. Couple that with the fact that the defense got extremely old at LB and couldn't address the safety position means we get a 2011 campaign - especially when you factor in the decline in offensive line play. I find it strange that people have such a short memory when it comes to QB play in the NFL. Eli Manning was atrocious up until that 4 game run and Super Bowl playoff year. Drew Brees basically got run out of town due a horrible year 3 when San Diego basically gave up on him when they drafted Rivers. Big Ben was horrible year 3 and had the worst performance of any Super Bowl winning QB. None of this means that Sanchez will become an Eli or a Ben. What it does mean is that there are different developmental curves in the NFL for a QB and there really is no track record on developing a college QB coming out in his junior year with 16 games of experience. Factor in that you have a coach pushing for a "ground and pound" offense and an OC that is supposed to design and call plays under that philosphy to best reflect the personnel on the team and protect the young QB. Instead we get an OC that has that same young QB try to throw 60 times when it is apparrent that he is not yet ready to carry the full load, the offensive line play is horrible and the WRs are clearly not on the same page. That is not all on Sanchez despite your oversimplified claims.
It is simple, Tannenbaum went up to get a franchise QB and had another epic fail just as he did with Gholsten.
Maybe Wilson too..he was so bad his first year we had to bring Cromartie back...1st round picks playing nickel or dime don't bode well either.
Don - Let's take you as an example. In 2008 you were voted the TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award Winner. Now you only started on the Board in 2007. You weren't the "Least Knowledgeable" award winner coming right out in 2007 were you? Of course not, you needed to prove yourself as being the "Least knowledgeable" over the course of multiple posts on the TGG.com. That is alot of hard work, effort and dedication. Now, after 14,000 posts and an additional three years of posting, we have a good strong record establishing you as a perennial favorite for the "Least Knowledgeable" award. That is very similar to making the jump from college to the NFL to franchise QB. It doesn't happen overnight and it takes a lot of hard work to make it happen. Franchise QBs don't step on the field and put up Franchise QB stats the very first time they play in the NFL. Just like you weren't the "Least Knowledgeable" poster the first time you posted in 2007. It took you all of 2007 and 2008 to be recognized as being the "Least Knowledgeable" when voted on by your peers in January 2009. Is Sanchez behind your progress at this point? Sure, but he came out as a junior so we need to cut him a bit of slack. Not everyone can hone their skills to be the best at what they do as quickly as you.
I wasn't in 2008 either but people took exception with the fact I said Gholsten would go down as the worst draft pick in Jets history...I am guessing you were one of them. Your comments of late would only reinforce that.
Excellent points. Because some people did make the jump to being franchise QB's very quickly does not mean that all franchise QB's do that. Drew Brees did not become a franchise QB until his second team. Brett Favre changed teams, had a promising second year (first year starting) and then promptly took a big step back in his third season. Joe Flacco basically just had the same season Mark Sanchez did, albeit with better protection, and he's in his 4th season. You've got to give a young QB time to find himself. He might be a super star right away but really those guys are few and far between and throwing out the good prospects because they aren't great is self-defeating and a recipe for failure.
Hey man, next season watch the Jets instead of your feet. Wilson played very well up until the last couple of games, when the entire team (minus Revis and Mangold) played like a pile of ass. Rookies don't always explode in their first season, even first rounders.
Was gonna start a new thread, but interesting stats on our o-line from Cimini via STATS, LLC. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/10249/who-gave-up-the-most-sacks Didn't someone post a link once that Hunter allowed 22 sacks on the season?
I completely understand your point, but it is not really the relevant one. Whether Callahan believed those specifics, the answer is of course not. Whether he thought Hunter was a serviceable replacement for Woody? That is a different matter, and there is absolutely nothing in what the Jets said OR DID that should lead us to think otherwise. The fact is, even cutting through the hype, Callahan put himself out there as Hunter's biggest supporter this past off season. There's no reason to think from that that Callahan was by any measure right about Hunter.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol Interesting stats here. The Jets were 31st in the NFL in adjusted rush yards over Left Tackle, averaging 2.89 yards per rush there. They were 16th over Left End, at 4.11 yards per rush. This tells us that Matt Slauson can't run block well enough for Ground and Pound, which maybe is why the Jets never settled back into that mode. Part of the problem there was also D'Brick who clearly is an average run blocking LT at best but the real failure is at LG who has to anchor the rushes off-tackle on that side. They were still strong up the middle at 4.53 yards a rush or 4th in the NFL. They were 15th at 4.48 over Right Tackle.
But a good line can also help overcome an average QB (especially when developing) and make him much better, just like a great receiving core can. It works both ways. We don't have an elite QB, our line was bad, and our receivers had way too many drops.. so lets address the issues instead of trying to completely blame the QB, who we know isn't going anywhere. Schotty knows Sanchez isn't elite and is supposed to work around that fact to make it work, not pretend it doesn't exist. And GB's line isn't bad at all.
Incorrect. Baltimore's OL gave up 78 Qb hits, while the Jets only gave up 70. How did Flacco have better protection? Flacco also is rated at Qb rating as 18, compared to Sanchez at 23. Not "the same". And I would hardly say Flacco is one of the better Qb's in the league. Also, when you look beyond the stat lines, it is interesting that many here complain about the turnover in the Jet receiver corps. That is nothing compared to what Flacco dealt with this past season. He basically only retained Boldin from 10, meanwhile Heap, Mason, Houshmandzadeh and others left. In fact of the top ten Ravens receivers of 10, only four returned this past season. It had its effect. Flacco also lost his Qb coach from the prior year, Jim Zorn, who by all accounts he preferred working with. Also I find it interesting you picked Flacco's fourth season, since anyone familiar with Flacco's stats knows he took a step back from 10, with his qb rating going from 93.6 to 80.9. Of course Sanchez has never come close to sniffing a season rating like that. So, in other words, you chose to compare Sanchez to Flacco's down season, in order to show what? That Flacco's career is in some way instructive in comparing to Sanchez? No it isn't, and i have to wonder how much of the foregoing you knew about before hand but chose to selectively leave out in order to make your pro-Sanchez rhetorical point, which as indicated is not substantiated by the facts.
Your continued lack of accountability for Schotty baffles me. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...ference=ALL&d-447263-s=SCRIMMAGE_YDS_PLAY_AVG Yards per play average ranked 28th, tied with the Colts. Yards per game 25th. That's a complete offensive failure, and it starts at the top.
I see I have to put you in your place again. Didn't even look at sack numbers did you? Baltimore gave up 33, the Jets OL gave up 40. Also, the Ravens run game is ranked 10th this year, while the Jets were ranked 22nd! Nice comparison. So Flacco got hit 8 more times. Wow. He aslo got sacked 7 fewer and the guy is basically a statue. So, they are 5 spots apart and this is somehow a good argument against what Bradway was saying? Please, it's actually impossible for them to share the same spot since it's a ranking system moron. Flacco may not be in the "Elite" category, but his team has been to the playoffs consistently because of their strong OL and run game. Again, you give him a pass because of personnel and coaching, but not Sanchez. Hypocrisy. Look it up. Sanchez never came close to an 80 QBR? So 78 isn't close to 80? Geez man LOOK IT UP! Facts...as if you have ever used them to back up anything you say.
