How Many Games Does An Average Quarterback Win With This Team?

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How Many Wins Does an Average QB Get for the Jets This Year?

  1. 6 or less

    13.4%
  2. 7

    2.4%
  3. 8

    29.1%
  4. 9

    13.4%
  5. 10

    27.6%
  6. 11

    7.9%
  7. 12

    0.8%
  8. 13 or more

    5.5%
  1. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    A good example of this is the Ravens game. Sanchez was sacked only twice but he got absolutely murdered in that game.
     
  2. nyjunc

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    I don't think people realize how bad our OL was most of the year. It wasn't just Hunter, Brick had a bad season too. The good news is I think it's a quick fix if we can get a good RT, we also get our top backup back(hopefully). Fix the OL and the O will be much better.
     
  3. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Brick had a terrible season. I was shocked to see that he made the Pro Bowl this year. He was beaten with power AND SPEED! That never happened to him before.
     
  4. Big Blocker

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    Regarding hits, the Jets were 22 in the league this year, with 1 of course being the worst.

    So this other urban legend that Sanchez gets banged around more than others is just that.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    not all hits are the same just like not all pressure and sacks are the same, he was hit more often than any QB I have seen in a long time.
     
  6. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    He was hit a lot and he was hit HARD a lot. How many times was he hit this season where the defender ended up getting a fine for it?
     
  7. stinkyB

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    3 or 4

    To answer the poll, I said 10.

    Add the Dolphins and Broncos game
     
  8. Biggs

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    My guess is Sanchez has an injured shoulder couple that with Greene's inability to stay on the field and our O was somewhat hamstringed.
     
  9. Murrell2878

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    He was hit 3 or 4 time illegally?!?!!?!?!? I bet no one else in the NFL had that many hits on them that resulted in fines.
     
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    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    I know. The kid got his bell rung this year. I also agree with what Mr. Biggs said about his shoulder. He was favoring it often.
     
  11. deerow84

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    I picked 8 because, IMO, Sanchez is an average QB. He's not the dregs of the league like some people are making him out to be, he's also very obviously not an elite QB.

    He lead the team the last two years to the final four, are people saying that he was below average and an average QB would have won us the Super Bowl the last two years in a row? I doubt it.

    Fact is the team in general played pretty bad this year, not just Sanchez. Hell, not just the offense. Didn't our special teams lead the league in fumbled/miffed returns? Pretty sure they did. A few of those cost us a game for sure.

    An average QB would have won 10 games for this team last year but since he wouldn't have been getting much help an average QB would have still got 8 wins this year.
     
  12. Harpua

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    This to me is the biggest issue with our passing game ATM. Our protection was jsut not there far too often.
     
  13. ManlyGenius

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    You need to watch more football then. The NFL charts QB hits and Jets QBs were hit 70 times in 2011-11th best in the league. Rams and Seahawks QBs were both hit 114 times.

    It only seems like so much because he got hit about 50 times a year in 2009 and 2010, but the Jets were top five in the league in that stat both years.

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...3-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT
     
  14. Mantana Soss

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    I'm going to assume that means average starting QB.

    That means a QB in the 14th-20th range out of 32 teams. Given injuries knock a lot of guys off the board, but they should still be ranked in terms of QB heirarchy, we'll look at the QBs ranked 12th-18th in QB rating this year:

    Cutler
    Vick
    Newton
    Hasselbeck
    Kolb
    Flacco
    Palmer

    On nothing but pure hunch, I say the first 4 guys win 9-10, the next 3 win 8-9.

    Our offense would be so radically different with Newton or Vick it's hard to say what would happen. I think their downfield passing and ability to extend plays would have made Santonio Holmes at least 50% more productive.

    The Giants, Broncos, and Dolphins games probably are the swing games that could have been won with better quarterbacking
     
  15. nyjunc

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    Cutler who has one playoff app would win more games?

    Vick who had MORE talent around him and had the same record would win more?

    Newton hasn't played a meaningful game yet though he's on the right track to being really good.

    Hasselbeck a few years ago I'd agree but not now.

    Kolb- is this a joke?

    Flacco was as bad or even worse than Sanchez this year

    Palmer walked into a good situation in oak and they tanked.

    we probably have a worse record w/ 4 of the 6.
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    these are subjective stats like the asinine dropped INts we heard so much about last year.

    I meant any Jets QB I have seen in a long time, I didn't watch SL or Seattle but I know Mark took a beating this year. One that not many QBs would have been able to succeed w/.
     
  17. Mantana Soss

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    The Bears were 7-3 when Cutler went down, finished 8-8. The Bears have terrible pass protection and inferior receiving options to the Jets. Cutler's numbers were still more prolific and efficient. He's not the elite some thought, but a superior QB to Sanchez by a decent margin.
    Vick went 7-6 actually, including a good clean whipping on us. Eagles averaged +3 points per game compared to the Jets in Vick starts.

    Their offense was probably more talented, but I think Holmes, Burress, and Keller would have looked better with Vick.
    The Hasselbeck of a few years ago is pretty much the QB the team hopes Sanchez can project to. A good game manager with a little of everything and can carry once in a while. He's not what we once was, but he would have still been a perfect fit to step right into this scheme. An older, wiser, more efficient version of Sanchez, he did well with a lot less to work with.
    I should have excluded Kolb from my claim, thats just where he ranked in 2011 rating. I have no reason to believe he would have been any worse than Mark though.
    Bad year for Joe, still beat Sanchez in every measurable efficiency category, with more yards. Threw less TDs, but his team ran more of them in.
    Oakland is better than it was, but a good situation? He took over an offense on the fly.

    Throw out the game where Palmer got thrown into the fire to play backyard football, not knowing any of the offense, and his numbers were:

    9 games, 2637 yards, 62.2%, 13:13, 8.4 YPA, 86 rating

    4 wins, 5 losses. In the 5 losses, the Raiders allowed 38, 34, 46, 28, 38.

    Maybe Kolb. Not any of the others.
     
  18. nyjunc

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    The bears pass pro certainly isn't worse than the Jets and he had a weapon in Matt Forte that Sanchez does not.

    awesome, 7-6 but had as much if not more talent than us and had Philly in abad spot heading into the 2nd half of the year. Also played awful in playoffs vs. GB at home last year.

    Flacco had a worse year but was surrounded w/ better talent.

    oak was in great shape until Campbell went down, Cincy made the playoffs this year w/ a rookie taking over for Palmer.
     
  19. Mantana Soss

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    I feel like you're missing the point of the thread. Playoff success/lack of doesn't mean anything here.

    The question was "Would an average quarterback have won more games than Sanchez?" Regular season results only.

    I didn't list QBs I think would do better. I went from the 12th to 18th best rated QBs in 2011 and thought about how each would fare on the team if they were the Week 1 starter.

    Also, Cincy made the playoffs with better defense. Their offense was inferior to the Jets'.

    Oakland was in good shape, sure. What's that have to do with Palmer? He got trade for midseason. He'd never seen the playbook, never played with his receivers. Despite that titanic disadvantage, he outperformed Mark Sanchez.

    If you're going to claim both Oakland and Baltimore have more offensive talent than the Jets, then we were never a playoff team to begin with.
     
  20. nyjunc

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    I don't know where based on their body of work you can say those other guys would have won more games. keep in mind the bad OL, bad run game for half the year, headcase at WR, mediocre D. Tom Brady would have won 11 games, Rodgers 11 games, a healthy peyton 11 games but most QBs would have struggled w/ this team.

    Dalton threw 7 less INts than Palmer a year ago, he didn't put his D in bad situations all the time. Palmer had also quit on his team.

    This year in oak in only 10 games Palmer threw 16 INTs, that's 26 prorated over 16 games.

    I didn't claim oak had more talent but Baltimore does. They have Ray Rice, we don't- that alone puts them ahead but they also have good WRs too.
     

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