This needs to be said. Shotty may not be great but… Shotty is only as effective as Sanchez allows him to be. It’s not the other way around. If you are blaming Sanchez’s lack of success on the OC then you are deluded. The truth is our OC was handcuffed by a QB who has the following limitations: -makes bad decisions -can’t read defenses and is slow to locate open receivers -forces passes and lock onto receivers -has poor pocket presence, poor footwork, and panics -isn’t a good game manager -can’t throw deep reliably -has accuracy issue outside the numbers -has ball security issues You try and come up with a good game plan with a QB like that. The QB screwed the OC – its not the other way around. Our OC has to approach every game with a damage control philosophy. (Not to mention our other challenges on offense) For those saying Mark wasn’t properly developed – that’s Rex’s fault. The OC doesn’t choose the starting QB.
Our OC may be saddled with a poorly executing QB but that doesn't begin to address the empty backfields on short yardage situations and our inability to throw down the field on play action. Hell the OC can dump the check downs instead of inventing new ones to have his QB screw up.
If Mark was the 1st QB that had "limitations" in Schotty's offense I'd be in total agreement but the issue is HOF QB's Brett Favre and Drew Brees both had issues with him (now granted Schott was just the QB coach but was benched for Doug Flutie in San Diego) and Favre started calling his own plays. Then look at the years for Pennington pre Schotty and his one year in Miami he wasn't injured. Night and day.
All of those points are dead-on about Sanchez. Also add in there no touch on his passes. He throws the ball the same speed whether his receiever is 5 yards or 25 yds down the field. I've seen him throw multiple balls to Greene and LT this year when they were less than 5 yds from him and he almost took their heads off, awful. But you also have to lay the blame on Schotty as well. In addition to his QB being severely limited mechanically, his play calling and run/pass selection is downright abominable and has been for the last 3 years. Unfortunately we're only going to get rid of one this year and that one will be Schotty because we have less invested in him than Sanchez. Let's see what Sanchez does with a new OC next year. I don't believe in Sanchez as the long-term answer but we'll have to live with him next year as I think Tanny's job security in part rests on Sanchez panning out.
I dont think shotty is great. But he is more clever then some give him credit for. For example - the emty backfield on 2nd and goal yesterday looked like a bad call. But our OC recognized a LB would be isolated and covering LT. It should have been an easy TD. It was a great call that appeared like it was a bad call. Even the announcer pointed it out. But Sanchez made a horrible throw.
Shotty was instrumental in our drafting Sanchez. He worked him out before we drafted him. Tanny respects Shotty. Reality is Sanchez and Shotty are tied at the hip but before we can part with Sanchez, we need to bring in a great OC to evaluate and put him in a position to succeed or if that's not possible to cut bait. Shotty is done here or Rex and Tanny will be gone in another year or two.
I agree Sanchez has limited Schotty but does everyone forget Schotty also had Favre and Pennington. He has had a veteran, an accurate qb with no arm, and an inaccurate qb with a decent arm he could groom. He has produced mediocore results with all 3. At some point we have to cut Schotty loose too has he has had everything but a top 3 QB in the league. If your offense needs that to succeed, then the offense is built wrong.
No everyone he agrees he is clever, but sometimes he is too clever. All the motion and everything, yet we run plays out of similar formations. Is it always necessary to go into shotgun on 3rd and short? It seems like his gameplan is to always to outsmart the other team, not really built on what is working.
I agree excpet if Sanchez doesn't improve it wont matter how great the OC is. However - I am more then fine with sending Sanchez and Shotty packing.
I hate this argument. Our offense in 06 with Chad was excellent. It out performed bad talent everywhere in what was year one of a complete rebuild. With Favre we arguably had the best team in the AFC before he hurt his shoulder. Shotty needs to go because we are tied to Sanchez and the O is going backwards. The past results with other QBs can only be judged based on what happened here. The 06 team had bare bones personal and a QB coming back from surgery with a pop gun arm who carried the team to the playoffs. The 08 team was the best team in the AFC after 11 games prior to the injury to Favre.
Just look at the seasons Favre and Pennington had the very next season after getting out of Brian's system. I think Favre threw 30 TD's and 3 INT's. Pennington had a career season.
Look at Favre's previous seasons. Favre was up and down the last several years and outright sucked after his brilliant last stand in a dome. Pennington played with a great running attack in Miami and was asked to do very little. When Baltimore shut down their running attack in their 1 playoff game Pennington had 4 picks. Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were a tad better than Kevin Barlow.
True and I am not trying to suggest Shotty is great. Just that the people who say Shotty is the reason Sanchez has been bad have it a little backwards.
Okay that is fair. I thought you were one of the people that think Schotty is great and that the only reason we have a poor offense is Sanchez. Sanchez clearly hasn't helped, but it feels like we haven't changed our offense since Chad. It doesn't feel like we have adjusted to our QB/players, more so we try to fit our players into a system.
this is complete hogwash, just look at Mark's pedigree. USC legend, 2 AFC championship appearance, free balling through playoffs etc. name another qb with those "limitations" that did that. NONE
Watch any NFL game, QBs with good offensive lines look can great one week, horrible the next, I am not one of the fans who throws Shotty all the blame for the teams breakdowns, but Sanchez is a 3rd yr QB who regressed this season because the O-line was inconsistent run & pass protection and this kid got the SHIT knocked out of him during most games, but the kid is a fighter (also very mature, not throwing others under the bus)...Step #1 in off-season...get this O-Line MAJOR HELP...the offense will be fine after that...
I agree with this too. As bad as Schotty is, Brees and Favre had success with him. And whether we agree or not, a lot of people think he is a future head coach. Not much you can do when the only starting qb that competes for the worst starting QB in the NFL with your qb is Tim Tebow. I would be more willing to give Schotty another year without Sanchez (although I still want him gone), than I would be willing to give Sanchez a year without Schotty. Sanchez is just fucking terrible. No OC can change.
So, if you take the 10 best QB's, they have the 10 best lines in the NFL? The O-line is often a product of the QB as well. Manning would make this line look like all-pro's, even Wayne Hunter. Sanchez makes all-stars look mediocre. People have to stop with excuses. Sanchez just sucks dick and will never be a top 20 qb, let alone a franchise qb..
