I am going to get sooo much heat for this but I hope at least I get people curious about this kid. This guy is next year's Aldon Smith. Vinny Curry is an athletic beast with great speed and instincts. If we pick in the late teens in rd 1 (17-20) and get him I'd be happy, who cares if we reached (mind you now it's considered a reach... come May who knows). Oh and he's also already played in a 34 so less transition. Haven't seen enough of Mercilus, not too impressed with Upshaw (looking at the games on youtube, not just highlights but positives/negatives), same goes for Jenkins. I'm no draft guru, just wanted to share this... [YOUTUBE]sslDB7OXUpc[/YOUTUBE] http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/240581/vinny-curry PS For thos ewho wonder, my problem with Upshaw is that while he is good at setting the edge most of his big plays come from Alabama's D making the QB hang onto the ball forever...
I think his stock will sky-rocket building up to the draft... not as much as Smith (who was picke in the top 10) but he's top 20 material to me. PS What's your opinion on Upshaw? EHM -.-"
I hope your fucking joking about the Bama thing, Geaux Tigers Upshaw is a talented player and should the Jets draft him he would be a good player. With that said, he isnt one of my top 10 guys I want the Jets to draft. Upshaw is a heads up player, strong as hell, and could probably play multiple positions. The Jets need a pass rusher, first and foremost. Not a guy who CAN rush the passer, not an OK blitzer, they need to find a guy who is a double digit sack candidate. Upshaw IMO is not that guy. Upshaw isnt particularly fast (and I think we need to get faster at linebacker and safety) and I don't think he has the athleticism to play in coverage
The kid looks good saw a couple plays from him he sheds blockers pretty well and has great pass rushing instincts but he seems to struggle a bit setting the edge.
He's a second rounder, I'm sorry but there are just plain better players out there to pick from in this draft. Not hating on Curry but his value is in the second mid to late. Top 20 is out of the question , he needs time to develop to this kind of talent level. But that's not to say i wouldn't love to draft him where we are in the second if we don't pick an OLB. As for Upshaw, sure he gets help from the players around him but hes one of the top players on that whole team. He has the ability to bull rush and stop the run, he has tremendous power, solid speed, and he fits the mold of Lamarr Woodley to a tee. Look at some Upshaw Highlights and Woodley highlights, theyre extremely similar.
Personally I love that kid, he has an awesome burst of speed off the line and has the coolest last name in the world for a pass rusher. My biggest problem with him is im hearing that he wants to be a DE and many coaches and scouts have consulted him to stay at that spot. I think he could be a great 3-4 OLB prospect but he wont make an "immediate" impact IMO, he needs time like all the others (Jenkins, Curry, Perry, etc). Not saying its a detriment I just hope fans and coaching staffs are patient with him, hes got loads of potential. Did I mention his last name is awesome?!? hahaha
I haven't heard anything about WM wanting to play (or coaches) 4-3 in the pros, it would be stupid to limit your options. I'm not saying WM couldn't play in a 4-3, he could, but to limit yourself is crazy. Mercilus has all the tools to play 3-4 OLB and even move inside and play on the line every so often. WM is a pure passer rusher, but he's not a one-trick pony. He can use his strenght or speed and is solid against the run. I've mentioned earlier he reminds me of Suggs and once things get closer to the combine and April you will see his stock rise. As far as Vinny Curry, he's not a rd 1 prospect and to say he will be a mid fisrt Rd pick is insane. Curry is a great player, but his body of work in the MAC is going to hurt his draft stock.
I read an article about Mercilus and other pass rushers about a month ago, I have to find it for you, it essentially said he'd best fit in a 4-3 D at RE and everyone who has given him advice about going into the NFL has said to keep building his frame and become an all round run stopper and pass rusher. I dont necessarily agree with it though. I can see the Suggs comparison but I think he fits best as a Cliff Avril type, same frame, same style of play, and I think able to play DE AND OLB in this league. They are eerily similar IMO. I agree with you on Curry as you can tell from my past post, he is a second rounder and thats it. The combine wont boom his draft stock that much unless somehow Jenkins and Perry have a HORRIBLE combine.
I remember the rumors that both Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Houston wanted to play DE over OLB in the NFL and gained weight to try and prevent the switch. Guess what they are playing now? I'd toss the Mercilus stuff in the same pile IMO. In the end, it's not up to him...
If we got Vinny Curry in the 2nd, I'd be more than happy. If we reached on him in the first i would be eh. I mean I think the kid has a ton of talent and would fit in perfectly but it would be a bit of a reach, and more talented players should be on the board then.
The ability to speed rush does not = the ability to pass rush at the NFL level. The majority of sacks/pressure caused by 34 OLBs will be created by pushing the pocket, being strong enough to lose the blocker, then having the short range closing speed to get to the QB. That's how pressure will be created in Rex's scheme, not by having a guy run around OTs (I've never . That's the reason why guys like Upshaw, Ingram, and Mercilus will stand above guys like Curry and Jenkins in my mind. Those guys have value and will succeed in certain schemes, but I feel that the Jets defense needs a more solid, physical player. The ability to go through a blocker and push the pocket consistently will wreak far more havoc with Ryan's tendency to send multiple blitzers than having a guy who will get sacks from the outside, but be be taken out of the play with similar frequency.
Does he have more than a speed rush to the outside? When I watch him, he seems pretty much like a nonfactor in the run game, and 95% of the time when he beats a tackle, its because of his speed to the outside... Im going to watch the bowl game later today and hopefully he impresses.
Agree 100% the only time speed rushing helps is with you can spin off a defender but the best pass rusher IMO can muscle their way into the pocket and force the QB to either run outside the pocket(where the pass rushers speed actually comes into use) or make him step into the pocket into our superb D lineman.
I've seen a couple plays tonight where Mercilus knows he's going to get doubled, so he just takes them on and pushes them straight back through the pocket. Knowing the other three rushers have single blockers, it's the most effective thing he can do.
