Yes, and can you imagine the powerhouse that the Jets would be if they had a competent OC to call some decent downfield routes?
People have just made a big deal out of that play because it's such a glaring example of what happens too often - 3rd down situations where the routes run by our receivers are shorter than the yardage we need for a first. There are plenty of other legitimate criticisms - running it up the middle when the box is stacked, receivers running routes way too close to each other making it too easy for the D to defend them, running out of the wildcat about 99% of the time, the awkwardly slow pace of the offense, not taking advantage of obvious mismatches... I'm not saying that he never calls good plays - he obviously has streaks where his calls work well, but this offense isn't reaching it's full potential because he too often puts them in situations that are more difficult than is necessary.
Braylon averaged 17.1 yds per rec last year- the HIGHEST of his career. he's averaging 12.3 this year in SF. EVERY team has routes designed to go shorter than the marker to give their receiver a chance to make a play after he catches it. The 5 guys shor is a bit extreme but I can't say I have seen that ohter than that example.
Not enough has been said about the loss of Braylon and his deep threat. The deep threat kept safties back and opened things up underneath for Keller and especially for Holmes.
Another example of a bad play design is Sanchez's second interception in the Jacksonville Jaguars game this year. Plaxico and Holmes and I believe Mason were in trips formation, going against 4 DB's. They all ran a 20 yard (estimate) comeback, and the safety was easily able to jump the route (since no one went deep from the formation) and pick off the pass.
I do and I don't, we sure could use him down the field but for most of the season we haven't had timeto throw down the field. How nice would it be if we could get him back next year and keep Plax? not going to happen but we'd have a dynamic WR corps.
I agree. It is clear that we have no real deep threat this year, other than Holmes, but the defense focuses on him more than any other receiver, so it's still difficult. With Braylon, we had 2 deep threats, one of which was almost always single coverage. Sanchez and Edwards had good chemistry with the long ball last year, but it seems this year Schotty isn't giving it much of a chance. I think those plays can still be executed, but Plax isn't speedy enough to be a legit deep threat although he's a bigger red zone threat, IMO.
Very true about the time to throw. I would love to keep Plax (Red Zone weapon) and get Braylon back (deep threat) to go along with Santonio. The other thing about losing Braylon was that I felt he and Sanchez had great chemistry. If you ever noticed that when we needed a big play Mark looked for Braylon (the big catch on the last drive in the Texans game and the big catch on the last drive in the Colts game are two prime examples).
Yes! I didn't read your post before I posted my last one, but this is also big reason our offense struggled (moreso early in the season than now though).
While I agree about Edwards, to me it's not so much about the execution of the play as it is about at least attempting it and causing the defense to think about defending it. I don't agree about the time to throw, the O line has be playing better and pass protecting better, take a shot and move the freakin safties back a little. They've got receivers that can get downfield. I agree earlier in the season they were gettting Mark killed, but they have settled down a bit..take advantage of it.
Lol the defenders were even jumping our routes in the last game. Pathetic play calling and design, an absolute joke of a system.
Not to pull all the blame off Schotty, but it's real easy to jump a route when your QB has a habit of staring down his receiver.
So how do you explain Schotty's failures with Brett Favre, one of the best passers to ever play the game?
Very easily, outside of 2007 & 2009 favre was not great most of the 00s and he got him in a new system for the 1st time in 16 years just a month before the season.
I think you missed the point of my post. I was pointing out that people are harping too much on that one play when there are many other reasons why the offensive system is flawed, but you didn't respond to any of those other reasons that I pointed out.
This is where I sit. Its been a protection problem and not a receiver issue. The 30 Slant and go TD this past weekend is a perfect example. Holmes needed time to make the route work and the Oline gave it to him. In weeks past Mark would have been running for his life long before having time to flot that perfect pass over the top of the CB.
An even better example is one play earlier when they tried the slant & go, didn't get the protection and couldn't throw it.
This is completely false and inaccurate. You guys act like the offensive line has been godawful this year and collapsing on every play, when in reality they have played pretty well and respectable outside of a couple of bad games and handful of bad plays. Every offensive line gets beat once in a while. Just another over-exaggeration constructed for the defense of Sanchez.
The OL has been mediocre at best for most of the year and early in the year it was flat out BAD. They haven't protected the QB well for most of the year and they haven't opened up holes for the RBs most of the year, only 5 of our 12 games has Greene averaged at least 4 YPC. That's not good. Poor OL, poor running game is not good for a QB especially a still developing one w/ 3 of his 4 top WRs being new.
