Trent Dilfer on Mark Sanchez

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  1. Trifco

    Trifco New Member

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    The day all the former-players-and-coaches-that-have-become-analysts agree on their analysis of every game, I'll stop questioning their knowledge.
    You can't agree with them all in everything, right?

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    Once said that, I agree with plenty of what Dilfer said, but I still can't see how you can say Schotty's call on several plays/series were good, including the int and the "we ran good, now let's air it out" 3 and out couple of series.
     
  2. NYJet87

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    Pretty high level of respect for Dilfer as an analyst. Seems like he does a good job of breaking things down and being pretty objective in most cases.

    But it's true: None of us have the access to the 12 angles of tape to disect and accurately put the finger on who's to blame for plays that fall flat. We're all guilty of being the arm chair QB but in reality there's no real way of knowing who or what did them in on a play that doesn't work.

    Oh, my bad, Schotty sucks. Sanchez, grow a set. That's better.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    Yes, and in line with the exoneration of Schotty's play calling, which I agree with, the real issue with Schotty and the rest of the CS is how they are developing, and not developing, Sanchez. Of course there's more than one coach involved in handling Sanchez, and perhaps the first one to be held most responsible should be Cavanaugh.
     
  4. gsulli5861

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    I thought the analysis was terrific, makes sense to me. Sanches has taken a big hit this year for alot of other Jets. I believe in Sanchez. I do believe that the receivers this year have let him down and I believe that's part of the frustration you saw on the sideline. Plax has been great in the red zone but has given us little else in the middle of the field. I love Holmes playmaking ability but he and Sanchez are not seeing the same the same coverages. Getting a receiver stretch the field would really help. Look at what Torey Smith had done for the Ravens. Botom line, I believe Sanches will continue to improve and become a very solid QB that can win a Super Bowl.
     
  5. fozzi58

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    I'm with most of the posters here.

    I'm not throwing Sanchez on the garbage heap yet. Too soon to tell. Brees got 4 years to put it together. Fitzharvard took 7 years. Even Eli was poor before year 4~5. Hopefully Sanchez' down play will get better - however, as other "more knowledgeable posters" have claimed - Stats don't lie. So Sanchez is better this year using that line of thinking.

    Dilfer has been a big supporter of Sanchez so I have to agree with his critiques etc.

    However, his line about Schotty I am certainly in disagreement with. The poor OL play can be attributed to the offseason and a couple players and Callahan have mentioned that other teams have figured out protection schemes.

    But calling a 5 yard curl when you need 7 yards? Running McKnight up the middle with 9 in the box? Hmmm... That doesn't exactly sound like aggressive playcalling to me.
     
  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Dilfer would have gotten blown out by Peyton Manning in 2009 and the defense still would have gotten run over in the first half by the Steelers in 2010.

    I'm guessing you were being facetious when you compared either of the last two Jet defenses to the 2000 Ravens.

    I do think Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens would have had a good shot in both of those games.

    I'm not a big fan of the bouncing eyes theory Dilfer has floated.

    I do think Sanchez locks on to his primary too often and it's hard to see how that fits well with the idea that he's looking around too much. You can have one or the other but not both.
     
  7. #28Martin

    #28Martin Well-Known Member

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    No, Dilfer actually knows plenty. He watches hours of film, he played the position, he won a SB. He knows plenty.
     
  8. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    The part I take from this is the receivers not hitting their landmarks. It's blatantly obvious that the receivers and Mark are still working on their timing. In some cases they're running the wrong routes all together.

    A QB is throwing to a designated spot on these timing patterns and if they aren't their it makes it look like Mark is off when really it was a bad route run.

    The Post writer Bart something or other had a reply for Trent. Dilfer had 8 career 3 TD+ games, in the past 1 and half Mark has 6. So if Dilfer was so good at breaking down systems that might be a bit better.

    3 or 4 times last week Holmes or Plax ran the wrong route completely, and Mark threw to the spot where he expected them to be. Mark has been in this offense now for 3 years so I know that he had the right call on.
     
  9. PutJerrichoIn

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    This analysis seems spot on. I've definitely noticed that on a lot of his completions he locks on to his receiver even before the snap (usually a slant). Prob why he gets picked after a while. Hopefully this stuff is correctable?
     
  10. avrus

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    TIL Dilfer believes Sanchez is responsible for his own development, the development of the Oline, for ensuring the WRs hit their routes, route calling and play design. :lol:
     
  11. HardHitta

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    Balanced play calling ? STFU and GTFO
     
  12. avrus

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    Where is he getting these stats from? They don't line up with NFL stats for 2011 at all.

    NFL.com situational stats disagree.
     
  13. MadBacker Prime

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    With Braylon last year, I believe his QBR on throws >35 was 90.1.
     
  14. Hobbes3259

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    Yup..................

     
  15. gizmo253

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    Dilfer gets to see the 22view film aka the overhead shit the nfl wont let us see because it would ruin our perception of the game. Truth be told dilfer is correct with this issue, I just find it ironic because I posted a great interview with aaron rodgers in the NFL forum and AROD goes on to explain how you need to have your feet set to the reciever you plan to throw to, look off the D with your eyes and than at the last second snap back on to your target and fire. So if Sanchez isnt comfortable hes going to resort back to thinking way too much instead of just playing. Sometimes I just think Schotty needs to dumb down the offense for us to see some sort of success. I understand with his ego and his faith in Mark he doesnt want to do that, but at this point in the season i would be handling Mark like he was a backup QB, PUT THE BEST GAMEPLAN TOGETHER THAT MAKES IT EASIEST ON YOUR QB!! Mark was definitely hurt by the reciever moves and the fact that we had no offseason, pick up the Playbook again in the offseason and work it out, for now just get us to the playoffs!
     
  16. MadBacker Prime

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    Watch almost any other offense including the Bills this past week. Receivers are open and get separation, Schotty's routes do not yield the some results. Constantly Sanchez has to thread the needle in between multiple defenders, and that's just poor play design or poor route running.


    Just look at the Giants games, it's very rare to see Eli throw to a guy who doesn't have at least a few yards of separation.
     
  17. Biggs

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    That doesn't explain why he can't get his feet set step up in the pocket and throw the ball. He is constantly bailing out and his throws lack accuracy because of it.

    Eli is far from a perfect QB but he stands in the pocket, he slides in the pocket he can back up in the pocket and look down field and throw with his feet set.
     
  18. mystikol

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    This was pretty interesting to me. Everyone thinks it's Schotty's fault that there are no deep routes, but apparently he's calling them.
     
  19. Organized Chaos

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    It would be nice if the NFL releases coaches film. I know they were considering letting you subscribe to it on their website.
     
  20. Nilton

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    agreed . he might've not been the best but he knows the position very well.
     

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