Wow Schotty..

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    He deserves some credit for this.

    But You can see schotty's mindset here.

    He's trying to make a valid point but uses the disparaging 'dink-and-dunk' term, which is an offensive feature he rarely uses short of 3rd and long.

    (Look for instance at the pick in Sunday's game)
     
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  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Favre was hurt in 08 toward the end of the season.
     
  3. Dirty6Sanchez

    Dirty6Sanchez Well-Known Member

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    Because Schotty is full of shit and couldn't put together 350 yard passing games.


    trust me I know ha. I'm just saying after a month in the new system Favre should have been throwing for 300+ yards a game if it was that big of a difference
     
  4. Organized Chaos

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    Cam is probably an extreme example since they're passing a lot and losing a lot due to bad defense.

    The flip side would be Rogers who is over 300 yards in 7 games, and of course won all of them.

    If we want to look at more of an edge case, Eli Manning has five 300 yard games, and he's won two of them.

    Lets look at a worse QB with a good defense: Joe Flacco has four 300 yard games, and has won all four.

    On the flip side, Matt Ryan has four 300 yard games also, and has only won one of them.

    Really, I don't think it matters much, other than a measure of how dynamic your passing game can be.

    Against the Bills, Sanchez averaged 5.1 yards per completion. At that rate he'd have to throw 60 times to get to 300 yards.

    To bring this back to shotty, the fact that Shotty has had Favre, Pennington and Sanchez has none of them manage all that many 300 yard games is sort of damning, along with the dropoffs in other stats like touchdowns, yards per completion, etc.

    You can see something related to this if you look at both Pennington and Favre's stats. Both averaged around 7 yards per completion. Once they were in Shotty's system they fell down by about a whole yard per completion. Once they left, their stats jumped back up to in the 7s.
     
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  5. nyjunc

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    In most cases it is a bad thing, very few teams are built to pass for that many yards and win. For most teams if they throw for 350 it's b/c they were trailing big. It's not really that difficult of a concept to understand.

    He did until that last month.
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Sanchez has three 300 yd games this season and since last November has 5(plus a 299 game).
     
  7. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Except for the Arizona game (lol) Favre's numbers were nowhere near his performance with the Vikings the next year, even if you only count the start of the season before he got hurt.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    again, he was in a new system w/ no offseason. He also didn't want to be here, instead of studying the playbook he was calling his budy in detroit giving them tips on the Packers(do we forget that?). He sabotaged our season.
     
  9. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, he was. And we went to Seattle, with a big nasty offensive line, against an undersized defense, in the snow...and insisted on...throwing the ball?

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122111/2008/REG16/jets@seahawks#tab=recap&recap=fullstory


    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20081...ab=analyze&recap=fullstory&analyze=playbyplay

    Look at the genius calling plays down 7 late in the fourth quarter.

    Favre, 1st down at the 12. In the Gun (Injured). Sacked -7.

    Yeah, clearly the problem is Mark.
     
  10. tank75

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    if a team is throwing 350 yards a game and losing then something aint working on the other side of the ball. if the jets had that prolific of a pass attack with their defense, a lot more games would be won.
     
  11. Hobbes3259

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    He did not.

    We were 8-3 and talking Super Bowl. The lack of adjusting for the injury (See Seattle above) killed us.
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    That was all Favre, he may have been hurt but he could still make all the throws. he sabotaged our season and he dictated our offense.

    By the way, we ran it 25 times and passed 31. It wasn't like we had 15 rushes and 40 pass attempts.
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    He killed us, he had that one good 4 game stretch(he was hurt for those gmaes too which is why I don't buy the injury excuse) and that was it all year. He killed us, w/ Chad we easily win the division BUT then we don't have Rex and sanchez so it all worked out.
     
  14. Dirty6Sanchez

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    Doesn't exploit defensive weaknesses, doesn't play to our Offenses strengths. Bonehead playcalling.

    Pretty much sums it all up that Schotty is straight garbage.
     
  15. Organized Chaos

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    I'm supposed to believe that an egomanic like Farve would sabotage the Jets (and therefore himself) because he "didn't care"?

    Ok, even if I accept that shaky premise for Favre's decline in numbers, and then their subsequent advance when he got away from shotty, then what's the explanation for Pennington? It was the same exact thing, his stats fell across the board, along with his average yards per completion by a full yard just like Favre. Also like Favre, once he left his numbers shot back up.
     
  16. Dirty6Sanchez

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    Drew Brees too. It's like night and day. San Diego Drew Brees working with Schotty and Drew Brees in New Orleans, he went from slightly above average to future Hall of Famer.
     
  17. Hobbes3259

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    I remember the game vividly. The whole Offense was out of synch, when it was a classic prescription for three yards and a cloud of dust all day long.

    And as I said...look at the playcalling in the last nine minutes.

    No way we should have gone 3 qtr's and put up just a FG.
     
  18. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    The Favre argument is overused and lacking in anything really compelling. Favre refused to put in much work to learn a system. Schotty tailored the system to Favre, forcing all the offensive players to make their lives harder so Favre didn't need to do much work. Then the team was 8-3 with Favre and the offense playing just fine until he got hurt and played like crap for the last 5 or 6 games.

    Things like the .gif of 5 guys all running routes before the 1st down marker and a one route play from the endzone are infinitely more compelling evidence against him than pointing to Favre's numbers in 08 and 09.
     
  19. nyjunc

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    He didn't intentionally do it but he clearly wasn't as committed to us as he was in Minny trying to stick it to GB.

    Chad was coming off TWO shoulder surgeries then got hurt again in '07. he had him for one heaqlthy year where we went 10-6.

    It's not about #s, it's about winning.

    First off Drew was relaly good in SD his last couple of years, second- Brian was the QB coach. You are blaming him b/c he wasn't as good as he became in NO? what a reach.

    We got Favre'd
     
  20. Mason

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    Can't tell if sarcasm.

    Santonio Holmes is a glorified #2/slot receiver, getting paid like he's a #1. Plax is a possession/red zone receiver, LT is out of his prime, and McKnight is not used nearly enough in the offense to make an impact. I'll give you Keller, but at the same time, he's no Graham.

    The Jets don't have "pretty darn good offensive weapons". As a whole, this group is average at best. There is no #1 receiver on the team, there's not even a burner. Tell me who is out there constantly getting separation?

    If this is the general consensus on the Jets' offensive weapons, then I fear Sanchez will be ousted soon. People shouldn't be thinking he's struggling with good weapons and a good system. That just isn't true. He has an average group, and one of the worst coordinators in the business.

    He's struggling with an average-below average line, average weapons, no running game, and a terrible offensive coordinator.

    I will say this once again, you can't expect Sanchez to make blueberry pancakes out of shit batter. If you're thinking this will be turned around any time soon(as in, this season), you're fooling yourself.
     
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