The disappearance of the Ground 'n Pound

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  1. AirStrike

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    It's because our offensive coordinator is and idiot and our coaching staff and front office believe Sanchez is comparable to Joe Montana.

    Oh, and our idiot GM decided that Shonn Greene and LT is a tremendous duo at running back, screw a guy like Darren Sproles. Let's get out there and blow a ton of cash on Plax, Derrick Mason and then Cromartie(who has been great this season, but so has Kyle Wilson) after you couldn't con Nnmadi to come over here for 10+ million dollars.
     
  2. WW85

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    Wow!!

    Someone pissed in your Wheaties this morning???

    Any good news to report???
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    LT was out. Greene was reluctant to get off the ground after every decent gain he made, and took himself out on a few of those plays. McKnight is probably half in the dog house for his fumbles. As he should be.

    I don't think Greene had many more runs in him, and that left giving the ball to McKnight more. Which they obviously are reluctant to do.
     
  4. tank75

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    i said decent, not big. a 4-5 yard run is decent. the first series was a 3 and out with all passing. the second series runs were for 5 yards, 4 yards, 1 yard, 3 yards and 4 yards. the third series we came out passing, then ran once for 2 yards, then passed again. then we came out, ran for 3 yards, and 2 incomplete passes. next drive, one rush of 3 yards.

    the run game was not prolific from the get go, but not bad enough to just say fuck it and start tossing the ball up there with a third year qb and 2 new receivers. but not to digress, nothing about the play calling would signify a team that wanted to run first regardless of the way the game plays out.
     
  5. Big Blocker

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    Sanchez's pick six against the Pats sealed the win for them. That was not on the D. You try too hard at this defending Sanchez business. It hurts your cred.

    For example, Sanchez is quoted by ESPN today as saying he played lousy against Buffalo, and that the Jets will not make the playoffs if they continue to play as they did against Buffalo.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...t-make-playoffs-unless-they-play-a-lot-better

    From the article:

    Mark Sanchez says there's "not a chance" the Jets make the playoffs if he and the rest of the team play the way they did in a 28-24 comeback victory over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday.

    The maligned quarterback told WEPN-AM in his weekly appearance Tuesday that New York's postseason hopes will end if he continues to complete less than 50 percent of his passes, as he did Sunday, and the Jets "lose the turnover battle, lose time of possession, all those stats."

    Sanchez threw a career-high four touchdown passes, but acknowledged he didn't think he played a good game.


    I think I will take Sanchez's description of that game over the rose colored glasses version some here have of it.
     
  6. nyjetsrule

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    darren sproles? Really? who in their right mind expected him to be that good in NO?

    also any doubts that he could possibly be that effective in our anemic offense?

    You wanted us to bring in sproles when we had Greene (our soon to be bell-cow) LT, Mcknight (last years DP) and Powell (this years DP)? thats crazy, especially with all the needs we had on our roster at the time.
     
  7. nyjunc

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    This was after sanchez led the O to a TD to cut it to 10 at the beginning of the 4th qtr then our great D allowed NE to go right down the field and make it 14 again. We lost that game b/c of our overrated D
     
  8. Br4d

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    You have watched way too many games where the Jets QB played great and the Jets won as a result in your career as a Jets fan. That's the only thing I can think of when I read your stuff about Sanchez.

    I'm watching the best young QB that the Jets have had in 30 years. That's what I see. You are watching some numb-fingered fuckup who throws away games left right and center and is the primary reason the Jets are not good.

    I can't even imagine what life as a fan is like for you if you think Sanchez is a problem right now. It's not going to get better than this unless the Jets get really lucky and hit the jackpot somehow and that doesn't ever happen for most teams and certainly has not happened for the Jets in my lifetime as a fan.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    Nice change of subject. The point is not my history as a Jet fan. Sanchez himself said he is not playing well. You should agree with him and take off your rose coloered glasses.
     
  10. Br4d

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    Sanchez said he's not playing well and it's all his fault because that's what a leader does. He takes accountability for the team's success on his shoulders.

    If he'd said what he's probably really thinking about why this team isn't winning right now you'd have been horrified at how lousy his leadership was and we'd have a split locker room as a nice side effect.
     
  11. Big Blocker

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    You are spinning and speculating. Sanchez is not playing well and he said so himself. That's the bottom line.
     
  12. Br4d

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    No, you're blind as a bat and following the herd. Sanchez is playing well. He makes a couple of bad passes a game, a thing that is happening to almost all the young QB's this year and should be no surprise given the lack of coordination that the absence of off-season workouts has created.

    In other places the media is talking about the youth factor and the talent around the QB factor, the no off-season factor, and basically giving the young guys a pass in the process.

    In NY the media is all whipped up about this "Super Bowl" caliber team being held back by a young QB who is actually performing better than he did last year when he had better weapons around him and all-around better protection.

    Watching the crowd gawk at Sanchez this year reminds me of how quickly people tend to follow the herd. It's easier that way than actually thinking for yourself.

    BTW, the talent on this team wouldn't likely have sniffed a Super Bowl if Sanchez was completing 3 percent more of his passes for an extra 4.1 QB Rating points. Even Dan Marino wasn't taking this un-clutch defense with the slippery fingers on special teams to the big game.
     
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  13. Organized Chaos

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    Chad Pennington year 3:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5047/gamelog;_ylt=Avu7C13dMfDs9N0hvX4CWQr.uLYF?year=2002

    22 TDs, 6 INTs, 3120 Yards, 68.9% completion percentage.

    That completion percentage is 8th all time for best completion percentages as a QB.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_single_season.htm

    At that point in his career (year 3) Pennington was better than Sanchez is now, so I'm not sure how we can call Sanchez the best young QB the Jets have had in 30 years.

    Of course, Sanchez might evolve into something better than Pennington...he's got a bigger arm, and hopefully will stay healthy.
     
  14. Br4d

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    Chad routinely got smaller in the post-season when the defenses tightened up and started to apply real pressure. He also had Curtis Martin behind him and a better line than the Jets have right now in front of him. Give the 2011 Sanchez a guy who can carry the ball 20+ times a game to setup play action and an offensive line of the caliber of the 2004 version and he'd be doing just fine, albeit in a different shape and form than Chad did. Give him the 2004 defense alongside that and the Jets would be real Super Bowl contenders this year.

    BTW, here's another thing to think about: in 2004 Chad Pennington was in his 3rd season at the age of 28. Same number of seasons actually played but 3 full years older than Sanchez. People need to get that when and if Sanchez goes it is likely to be a long time before we see another young talent like him again on the Jets. We only got him in the first place because Cleveland was willing to sell their horrible 2008 season short by giving us a generous trade up to get him. We're not going to see another talent like this again any time soon. We're going to see people like Greg McElroy, who is a worse version of Chad Pennington, in Sanchez place and it's going to be an ugly process.
     
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  15. nyJETS0511

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    and i LOVE the running calls on 2nd and 10......makes me wanna puke every time
     
  16. Br4d

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    This is a standard Steelers sequence though. Throw on 1st and 10 half the time and then run on 2nd and 10 half the time if you go incomplete on the 1st down pass. It's frustrating but it's the price of playing a balanced offense. If anything the Jets have failed by missing the 1st down pass and then asking Sanchez to throw two more times for a 3-and-out. They probably should be running on 2nd and 10 more often not less.
     
  17. cobrien

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    I could never understand the philosophy of committing to any particular play style. I personally think that's absurd because every weekend you face a different opponent with a different skill set. I should hope the plan of attack differs every weekend. I think I have seen this with the Jets and last season I was beginning to think they were one of the best in the league at adapting to your opponent's game style.

    The problem with this, is the fans and the media view it as inconsistent gameplay. Unless your team is overloaded with unbelievable talent at most key positions and your style dominates the rest of the 21 teams, (which I don't think the Jets are) than committing to one play style every weekend is a recipe for a losing season.

    I know this states the obvious but I think we over analyze at times. Just my opinion
     
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