It's not like Manning's Colts were 9-7. A difference of two losses just like 2 INTs is not a big deal. And Brady benefitted from SD losing LT and Gates in the AFCCG and those losses were huge considering they could not get into the End Zone despite being inside the RZ several times. And Brady was terrible for most of the SB and was a huge reason they lost that game.
Weather absolutely affects him and any great passing O. It's much easier knowing you play more than half your games in perfect conditions inside. They were 12-3 which isn't 16-0, right? They also were held to 3 pts in the div rd. Losing LT and Gates(and Rivers) didn't seem to hurt SD against Peyton and compnay, right? Terrible is throwing a game ending INT in the SB, Brady wasn't great but he shined at the biggest moment only to watch his D blow it(just like this past week).
Playing in bad weather conditions has not affected Brady and how could it when their whole passing game is designed to be one that emphasises short quick passes. But he has had success playing in bad weather. Again, it's not like the 2004 Colts were 9-7 or played in a division where the 2nd best team was 7-9. Peyton now was supposed to play defense. Okay got it. Brady played terrible for most of the SB was a major reason they lost. Either way none of this is relevant to this thread. If you want to have another Brady / Manning debate then proceed to the correct thread. Back to the subject regarding whose season was better (which is relavent to this thread) Manning's 2004 was more impressive in my opinion.
So you don't think it's an advantage playing in perfect conditions vs. playing in bad weather? Weren't 9-7 , were 12-3 and put up 3 pts in their playoff loss(playing on the road in bad weather interestingly enough). yes it was all the Defense's fault Peyton threw two critical INts and couldn't get anything done late in the game. Brady led them 80 yds for the go ahead TD in the final minutes unlike Peyton in his SB loss where he threw an INT for a TD late to seal the loss for Indy. You brought it up, not me. I was trying to not even discuss the 2 seasons.
You were trying to not discuss those two seasons? What about posts 18 & 19? We are discussing the regular season. If you want to discuss the postseason and the SB we can in the Brady / Manning thread. Another interesting stat In 2004 Manning averaged 8.7 yards every time the Colts called a pass play. That counts yards gained thru the air and yards lost via the sack. That is incredible.
In my opinion Manning's 2004 season in the bench mark season that Rodgers is up against. Not Brady's 2007 season. I used actual data and statistics for my comparison. You came in here with your usual Brady nonsense and anti Manning agenda. If you feel Brady's 2007 season should be the benchmark than provide your reasoning and move along.
Postseason counts too, so does playing games in wetaher conditions which Peyton didn't have to worry about. When you factor in everything Brady had the better season but you will skew b/c of your Peyton nonsense and anti Brady agenda. Brady '07: 398-578, 68.9, 4806, 50 TDs, 8 INTs, 8.3 Y/A, 300.4 YPG, 117.2 rating, 16-0,led team to SB and gave D klead in final minutes of SB, led O to 33.3 PPG, in 6 games against playoff bound teams led O to 36.7 PPG and 6-0 record, Brady led league in comp. %, yds, TDs, Y/A, YPG, rating Manning '04: 336-497, 67.6, 4557 yds, 49 TDs, 10 INTs, 9.2 Y/A, 284.8 YPG, 121.1 rating, 12-3, led team to div rd where he led his O to 3 pts in loss, led O to 31.5 PPG, led O to 31.8 PPG and 3-1 record against playoff bound teams, Peyton led in TDs, Y/A, rating Brady led in more categories, had more TDs w/ less INts, led his O to more pts, didn't lose a game, led his O to more PPG against playoff bound teams. Is this good enough for you?
FootballOutsiders addressed this issue this week in their Week 9 Quick Reads feature article. We all know how much everyone loves FO, right? The link to the article is here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/week-9-quick-reads. Much more in the linked article.
I’m sorry, postseason isn’t counted. I didn’t include one post season stat in my original post. Manning didn’t play in the season finale against the Broncos. Here is a realistic perspective of his 2004 numbers. In 15 games he averaged 303.4 YPG, led his O to 33.9 PPG and was 3-1 against playoff teams leading them to 36.0 PPG in those games. Combine that with his amazing 9.9 TD% and 9.2 Yds/Att with his 49 TDs in 15 games and Manning had what I would define as the best season of this era. You want to make that claim for Brady’s 2007 season that’s fine. Those were two of the greatest single seasons ever.
it was also before the additional illegal contact rules (04 playoff game vs the pats basically inspired that rule)
I count it, postseason means more tha the reg season so if you don't follow up the great reg season what does it really mean? I think Kurt Warner's 1999 might be the greatest season ever b/c of the way he ended it w/ a SB MVP(that he deserved unlike Peyton '06). I removed the last game and all non offensive scores so he led his O to 31.5 PPG and 31.8 against te playoff bound teams. I'm not sure what the greatest is, I probably still have Marino '84 if we are basing on the reg season and counting postseason I'd say I haven't seen a better season than Warner 1999. Peyton '04 is certainly up there too.
I don't count it, because in my original post I'm not comparing what these guys did in the postseason. Even if you do count it, it's not like Brady had a great postseason in '07. There are plenty of SB MVP's that didn't deserve it. Brady in '01, Eli in '07, Peyton in '06, Namath in SB 3. It's something I've always been frustrated with when they vote for the MVP. I think you could pick any of the seasons I listed on my original post. You are right, it's extremely difficult to pick the best.
