He was much better because he excelled down the stretch into the playoffs....kind of hard for him to do that in weeks 1-6. The idiocy of people when they talk about Mark Sanchez amazes me.
How has nobody pointed out teh bolded yet? jesus, we never throw downfield, how can we possibly be in the top half of the league? Even if you count catch and runs, it just doesnt feel very beneficial to our offense. Hopefully in the future, they are more meaningful to drives. In regards to sanchez being better this year than last, I have to say he is most of the time. He is putting up far better numbers in every aspect despite the obvious loss of offensive talent. the overall performance is better this year than the past. But, at times he makes throws that boggle your mind. Throwing into double or triple coverage, those god awful picks against Oakland and the Jags. Even in the Ravens game, he went out there scared shitless and took some dives. He had been beaten into oblivion that game, but if he wants to be an elite guy, he has to stand there no matter what and fire the ball with accuracy. Look at Brady in the playoff game, he was so obviously scared out of his mind in the pocket, but he definately stayed on his feet and tried to make a play despite the hits he was taking and the frustration he was under. Can Nacho become Brady? probably not, but if he wants to be an elite guy, he has to step up his game and stop with the random mid-game lapses
Because playing QB in NY is a thankless job unless you are peyton maning or tom brady, and you need a dynasty. You have to be Derek Jeter in a football helmet. Fuck this town, bunch of impatient babies.
He has the same receivers except two of them? ...and that's not a big change? The fuck? How many receivers does a team start these days?
This is blatantly false. I go post on PatsFans all the time, and most people think he's still a top 10 corner, who's in a 'rough patch.'
Tom Brady is a proven SB winning veteran. He can easily adapt to changes around him. Sanchez is a young QB, with limited college/pro experience. He needs stability in order to thrive. Its an apples to oranges comparison. You replaced 3/5 of your o-line, and yet Brady is being sacked at almost a rate DOUBLE from the previous year. You replaced who at running back? You still have your top 2 guys in BJGE and Woodhead; you're gonna use the fact you dumped your 3rd and 4th string RB to enhance your argument? The receiver was Brandon Tate right? That guy wouldn't even crack our top 4 receivers that we have. Now to your other points. We 'only lost two of our rec in Cotch and Braylon.' Considering we mostly ran 3 WR sets last year (Smith was barely a target at the #4 spot), I'd see it was a significant loss that we lost 2/3 of our corps. Our RBs are the same, but they're used differently than last year (LT and Greene swapping starting roles). Our o-line didn't have Mangold (by far the best center in the NFL) for 2 weeks, plus we had an overhaul at right tackle. I also don't remember fans saying that Plax and Kerley/Mason were upgrades. I think most people here knew it was a downgrade, however, they thought that the difference wouldn't be as big as other fans proclaimed. I'll wait till I see the end result at the end of the season, but right now its a big downgrade. With all that I said above, how can you possibly pin this on Sanchez, especially when his stats are up across the board compared to his past 2 years?
Its NOT an "atrocious" argument, though I will admit it is skewed somewhat to make a point. What a shock. :wink: The point I'm trying to make is that its NOT the offense that is limiting the QB, its the QB that is is limiting the offense. Do you guys seriously think that Shotty is THAT dumb that he'd purposely reign in Sanchez just for spite?????!!!! The guy is a professional that is practicing his craft at the highest level of the game...and he's done it for 6 years under 2 separate HCs. Do you really think that if he had a QB who took care of the ball and could make ALL of the throws, he'd run the same offense he's running now????!!!!! Shotty is a an easy target....and ultimately he'll be an excellent scapegoat for what is going to go down after this year. But in the end Jet fans will have to admit (much like they eventually had to do with another decent, but limited NFL QB,) That they DON'T have a "franchise" QB, just a decent one that COULD get them to the superbowl IF surrounded by the right pieces. Right now you don't HAVE those pieces. Jet fans should just admit it. Just as I'd be willing to admit that "at this point" the Pats aren't going to win another superbowl IF the defense doesn't improve
I CAN'T WAIT to see Sanchez's numbers after we play two games against that joke they call pass defense in Buffalo. I'll write a letter of apology now so all you haters can sign it in a few weeks.
So if Sanchez is that bad,does Shotty not deserve blame? If Sanchez doesn't work out then that's two QB's who were drafted for Shotty's offense who failed.Why should we expect anything different if we draft a 3rd QB for his system.Shotty is responsible for the development of Sanchez and he has to go if Sanchez fails. It then becomes a question of do we give Sanchez another shot with another OC or do we blow it up and start again.I'd prefer to give Sanchez another shot with another OC because despite what you say,he's had his moments and has gotten better albeit in small steps.
Sanchez threw 5 int's in one game against the Bills. The Bills are now better and good at takeaways. I'll sign up as a hater for those 2 weeks.
I never said he was "bad". I said he was "limited". Most NFL QBs have "some" limitations. With Brady its out of pocket mobility. With Sanchez its accuracy, consistency, and decision making. Ironically, perhaps, out of pocket mobility is one of his strengths. The thing that most fans don't seem to get, is that the OC develops their system to suit their QB not the other way around. Just take a look at what Sanchez does WELL. 1 . He throws quick slants well 2. He throws 14-18 yd seams well (especially out of play action) 3. He throws most passes within 5 yds of the LOS well 4. When contain breaks down, he throws on the run well 5. He has good escapability from the rush What he doesn't do well 1. Throw accurately CONSISTENTLY 2. Find the 3rd and 4th receivers when his first reads aren't there 3. Ball security 4. Stretch the defense with his arm So when you have a QB with those strengths and weaknesses, its probably smart to have a good run game, make sure he has big receivers with large catch radius's, and its best that he doesn't throw the ball more than 25/game. Sound familiar. The point is..... After Shotty is fired. much to the delight of most Jet fans, don't be surprised to see the next guy come in and comes to the same conclusion Shotty did.
I disagree with that,unless Bret Favre,Chad Pennington,Kellen Clemens and Mark Sanchez are all the same type of QB.
You can thank the First Amendmenbnt that allows you to pollute 2 Jet web sites. As for your so called bet, I won't pay on deceit. You know the story and if anyone else wants to know it, I'll tell them. All that will do will show you what a douche you are, About the only thing that Jet and Pats fans CAN agree on is your pathetic delusional psychosis ....But aside from that. Long time, no hear. How are you doing. I hope your family is fine. Is you mother letting you out of the basement now that you turned 40?
I guess you don't understand the first amendment either. Not shocked. The 'mother's basement' thing is amazing! How did you come up with that?
Well this might interest you, and some of the othere haters out there ... Francesa just asked Phil Simms ( a guy who knows a hell of alot more about playing QB than either of us) ... "has Sanchez taken a step back this year" His answer -- "ABSOLUTELY NOT".
