The first few series were atrocious. And, Now add Gruden to the list, and his comment about Schotty sucki ng was sourced as having been made by ' a couple of NFL execs' Billick. Simms.Collinsworth.Gruden, word around the league.
THis is the problem I have with the Schotty Haters. They don't seem willing to blame anyone or anything else for a single shortcoming of the O. This is parrticularly extreme after a loss. After a win, so and so will get credit, but Schotty gets NONE. It's ridiculous.
I'll have to check the tape on what Gruden said, I have a hard time believing Gruden said anything critical about a coach. at what point in the game did he say this? Did you see mark throughout the first half? We could have called any play and mark wasn't compelting , he was wild and msising easy throws. he looked tentative even on the first scoring drive but he relaxed after that and got back to normal. If you bash the OC for the first half, does he get credit for the 2nd half? It doesn't work both ways, you can't blame when things go bad and not give credit when things go well.
Admittedly we are traditionally a slow starting team, but I thought it was important to come out flying last night. In retrospect, it is better we won in the manner we did, looking better on "O" as the game wore on. No help from Schottenheimer though
Nobody blamed Shittenheimer for the offensive line playing poorly. I blamed Shittenheimer for not being able to adjust and change up the game plan to deal with the offensive line playing poorly. Maybe keep some extra blockers in, try some roll out plays, try SOMETHING different to get a spark. Now that the line is playing better, the O should be doing much better. But just as has been the case for 5 years now, the O isn't that good. The design of plays is poor, the timing of some plays is suspicious like that pass to Sanchez. I don't mind taking a shot like that, but on 3rd and 4 when you are struggling? I thought that was terrible. On the first TD drive, I thought he finally did some good things. The shovel pass to LT was a nice call.. and the QB draw was also very nice and designed well with LT clearing out and seeing what the LB does. But it's funny how quickly the Shittenheimer supporters forget that EVERY SINGLE GAME we start like shit, and those just happen to be the plays Schitty designs all week to start off with because he thinks thats the best way to attack a D. And then week after week those plays are consistently the worst ones. These poor starts are going to destroy this team. It's hard to always be put into a hole and have to climb out of it.
There was a great article in the Sunday NYTimes breaking down what ails the Jets. I wasn't in yesterday here, but assuming you didn't see it, here it is, and note how the focus is on Sanchez: October 16, 2011 Dolphins Give Sanchez a Chance to Iron Out Inconsistencies By BEN SHPIGEL FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — The morning after a game, whether the Jets win or lose, Mark Sanchez scratches notes to himself on his bathroom mirror. The exact content, he said, is private. But rest assured he is not scribbling grocery lists or phone messages to return. It is an exercise in self-reflection. He reminds himself what he did wrong and not to let it happen again — even if, sometimes, it does. No quarterback is perfect, especially not the quarterback of a team that has guaranteed it would win the Super Bowl but instead has fizzled and flopped, undermined by a sputtering offense and an inconsistent defense. Sanchez’s imperfections are all the more conspicuous with the Jets (2-3), given the high expectations as he entered his third season, considered a pivotal one in a quarterback’s development. “It’s still awfully early for me to have a full sense of where he’s at,” the offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer said. “Over all, we’ve been pleased with a lot of the things he’s done. But are there things that he can do better? Absolutely.” In some areas, like red-zone efficiency and recognition of opposing defenses, Sanchez has improved, impressing coaches and teammates. In others, like accuracy and ball security, he has struggled, making mistakes similar to the ones he made his first two seasons. The ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer, after analyzing five games’ videotape of Sanchez, came away bothered that he was still committing “remedial errors,” like overthrowing open receivers or failing to set his feet properly. “My expectation, because I’ve been his No. 1 apologist, is that Mark was going to make a huge jump this year, and I haven’t seen it to this point,” said Dilfer, a quarterback for 13 years in the N.F.L. “It doesn’t mean he can’t. I just haven’t seen it. The errant throws and the mistakes he’s making at this juncture of his career — he shouldn’t be making them. I’d say we’re a little early to say that Mark has regressed, but I think we’re in the danger territory. If this continues for the next few weeks, I’m in full worry mode.” Dilfer said he wanted to withhold judgment on Sanchez until after Monday night’s game with Miami, which has emerged as the fulcrum to the Jets’ season: a divisional matchup at home, on national television, against a winless team that features the second-worst pass defense in the N.F.L. The elements for success are there for Sanchez, who is aware that a victory would ease the tension and tumult that threaten to splinter the locker room. After roasting the offensive line Thursday for not giving Sanchez enough time to throw downfield — remarks that peeved at least one starting lineman, the veteran guard Brandon Moore — Santonio Holmes, in a quiet moment at his locker, was asked to assess Sanchez’s performance this season. At first, he declined to comment. Then, as he was about to walk away, he said, “If I did, it wouldn’t be good.” Holmes’s evaluation falls in line with the reaction that Sanchez almost always seems to inspire: extreme. For every stinging rebuke, a kind word is said, as if to explain or justify how a below-league-average passer with obvious flaws has guided the Jets to the A.F.C. championship game the past two seasons. That juxtaposition underscores his standing as perhaps the most polarizing quarterback in the N.F.L. not named Michael Vick, and also the reality that Sanchez, 36 regular-season games into his career, is playing neither well nor poorly, but rather in that murky area in between. Certainly it has been difficult for Sanchez to establish a rhythm, searching for chemistry with a remodeled receiving corps and playing behind an offensive line that has struggled to protect him; he is on pace to be sacked 41 times, 14 more than last season. The Jets’ inability to establish a consistent running game has heaped more responsibility on Sanchez to make plays and has, at times, also minimized one of his strengths — throwing on the move. After charting every throw last season, the Jets were surprised to learn that he was actually more accurate moving to his left, the harder throw for a right-handed quarterback. They try to use his mobility by calling naked bootlegs and rollouts, plays that Sanchez can sell when defenses must honor the run. But aside from their 34-24 loss to Oakland, when Sanchez threw for 339 yards, the Jets have shied from regularly moving him out of the pocket. From his film study, Dilfer saw no evidence of conservative play calling — seven-man protections, runs on first and second downs — that would reflect a lack of trust in Sanchez or a lack of imagination from Schottenheimer. “It’s been all execution issues,” said Dilfer, who characterized three of Sanchez’s incompletions against New England — a slant thrown behind Dustin Keller on third-and-2, an 18-yard crossing route thrown behind Holmes and an 18-yard crossing route thrown too far ahead of Plaxico Burress — as “plays a college kid should make.” Sanchez has made those throws, can make those throws and should make those throws, even under duress, Schottenheimer said. For all of his longstanding accuracy woes — his completion rate, up to 56.1 from 54.8 in 2010, ranked 28th among the 30 quarterbacks who began Sunday with at least 100 pass attempts — Sanchez grades high in the Jets’ system, Schottenheimer said. “When things are good around him,” Schottenheimer said, “he doesn’t miss many throws.” But when things are not good, Sanchez has struggled with turnovers, throwing five interceptions and losing four fumbles. Sanchez’s foundation, his footwork, is fundamentally sound. For those few seconds he focuses on his first read, his base is strong, his feet nimble and quick, his balance superb. It is when he moves to his second and third progressions that he seems to have difficulty manipulating the pocket like Tom Brady or Drew Brees, bobbing and weaving to reset his feet and make a precise throw. An exception came in the fourth quarter Oct. 9 against New England, when Sanchez connected with Holmes on a 21-yard touchdown. Before unleashing a throw that Dilfer called “absolutely fantastic,” Sanchez discerned the Patriots’ defensive call from his cadence, then passed over his first option, Jeremy Kerley, who was covered. In seasons past, Keller said, Sanchez tended to fall too deep into his cadence before identifying the defense’s intention, forcing him to keep the play. “Everything comes much faster to him now,” Keller said. Even with an expert understanding of the Jets’ offense — “Nobody knows the playbook like he does,” Coach Rex Ryan said — Sanchez arrives at the facility early and leaves long after his teammates. “I would even argue it’s too much time,” said Mark Brunell, Sanchez’s backup, with a laugh. “Sometimes you’ve got to get away. But Mark wants it. He just wants it.” Before the season, Sanchez wanted to address his inaccuracy in the red zone, so in training camp the Jets integrated new concepts and consulted with the offensive guru Tom Moore. Through five games, Sanchez’s completion rate inside the 20, up to 50.0 percent from 47.8, according to Football Outsiders, suggests modest improvement. More striking are his six touchdown passes, including three of more than 16 yards. Last season, when he threw eight touchdown passes in the red zone, Sanchez never completed a pass longer than 13 yards. “I’m not worried about proving anybody right or wrong,” Sanchez said. “I’m worried about playing for these guys on the team and playing well for the players in this locker room. It’s not about setting the record straight.” The record that concerns Sanchez can be found in the A.F.C. East standings, where the Jets trail Buffalo by a game and a half and New England by two and a half games, his performance a reason but not the reason they need to defeat Miami to save their season. The writing is on the wall. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/s...phins.html?_r=1&ref=football&pagewanted=print
The Team is on the Brink..... You're on Monday Night Football. You have to come out with a spark and put a stamp on this season and show what you got.... To me, that 1st play of the game would be incredibly important to set the tone.... And Schotty calls...................... A pass to the RB who isn't a great pass catcher? THAT is your play. That set the tone alright..... WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QUICK SLANTS?????? Brady Quick slants his team down the field at will... Ryan Freaking Fitzpatrick quick slants the ball out of his hands within 2 seconds... BAM BAM BAM!!!!!!
My gripe of the night (not saying my only with Schott, but THE gripe)...you don't have a first down to your credit on offense, you have a 3rd and somewhere in between managable and by no means out of the ordinary. You dial up a halfback option? I've already thought about the reverse arguement, "You wouldn't complain if it worked." I'm not buying it. Is he that stupid, or did he just have no faith in the O to get the game's first first down without using a trick shot. My complaint with the hack most of the time that in his trying to out-do, out-smart the opposing D coordinator, he's usually on successful outsmarting himself.
Big Blocker's point is a fair one. We are too quick to lump all of the blame for our offensive struggles on Schotty, but I saw an utter and complete lack of imagination in the play calling in the first half. It was more of the same, but a lot of that namby pamby playcalling comes from our inability to execute on anything in the running or passing game. It also stems from Rex's insistence that we not turn the ball over after the Baltimore game. Sanchez is being turned into a check down machine and the defense knows it. Once the OLine tightened up and Sanchez had some time to let his receivers come open, that led to a few first downs, which opened up running lanes, and opened up the playbook a little. Nothing gives me more joy than hearing Steve Young say that it was a boring game. Jets football. I must say that the 3rd down LT throwback call might have been the worst call in the history of OCs when you consider the timing of it. As a counterbalance, the QB draw call for TD #1 was a great play under those circumstances.
why would anyone give shotty credit after the game? first off, his performance shouldnt by judged by wins and losses, but by the success of the offense. as it is a team game that takes all 3 facets + some luck to win at consistently. Schottys calls were terrible last nite. hell we come out, first drive or 2 and it was: 1st down: 1 yard pass to LT on the sideline as the first read with nowhere to go 2nd down: run right into the teeth of the defense 3rd down: 5 yard slant on 3rd and 8. sure sanchez was off target but even if he completes that pass, its 4th and 2 and were punting. sure he sailed some throws high, but again, even if he complets those, we arent moving the ball much... hell, the only time we really moved the ball was when plays broke down and we had to improvise. its not just about the result, its about the design. everyone needs execution to win, but when your plan, even when executed, sucks, its on you.
I'm not a Schotty supporter, but seriously? Sanchez obviously looked down field first and then checked down to Greene. My big problem is with the scheme of the run game. Too many straight ahead blocking schemes. That was OK when they had Faneca and Woody. But they need to be more creative in the running game. More traps and misdirections.
It's amazing that he's being glorified for the team having 195 passing yards against the worst passing D in the NFL. Still utterly retarded playcalling. Can schitty.
So here's the deal as I see it. The Jets are going to wind up either replacing Brian Schottenheimer or replacing Mark Sanchez at this point. It's becoming glaringly clear that the two of them don't work well together. They take forever to get on the same page early in the game. Sanchez apparently has little or no confidence in the game scripts because he routinely plays poorly at the start of the game. He struggles to run the series of plays that the two of them have hashed out ahead of time. He looks much worse in the first quarter than at any other point in the game. Schotty apparently has no idea how to script a first series drive for a score. The Jets have 6 first drive TD's in the 43 starts that Mark Sanchez has made for them including playoffs. That's a first drive TD every 7 games or a bit more than twice a season. It'd be easy to indict the young QB for having butterflies at the start of games but then we'd have to ignore the fact that Schotty had been here for 3 years before Sanchez showed up. How did the Jets do in those 3 years? They scored 5 first drive TD's in 16 tries with Brett Favre. They scored 2 first drive TD's in 25 tries with Chad Pennington. They scored 2 first drive TD's in 8 tries with Kellen Clemens. What are the totals there? 9 first drive TD's in 49 tries. What are the totals for any QB not named Brett Favre? 4 TD's in 33 tries. The facts are that the Jets score fewer TD's on their first drive than most teams and they score fewer TD's on the first drive than they do at any other point in the game. This is not the result of a tentative performance by Mark Sanchez at the start of the game, although I think that factor plays into it as well. This is a result of Brian Schottenheimer not being ready to go out of the gate and putting the Jets behind the 8-ball as a result. The fact that Sanchez is now the signal caller doesn't mean all that much in the overall picture of why the Jets don't score early on. That's on Brian Schottenheimer. One of them is going to have to go and getting rid of Sanchez at this point would be a huge step backwards for the franchise unless we brought in a hall of fame bound vet at the end of his career. Schotty has not proven he's a capable offensive coordinator in any other situation.
So would first drive 3 and outs.. aka the Schitty Deluxe. I really don't know how anybody can watch this team play and think he's calling good games, when every yard they get is such a damn struggle.
I preferred seeing Sanchez throw the ball 20 yards over his receivers' heads on a few plays. The receivers in frame on the replays were consistently covered, often double covered. Throwing into traffic would have meant a likely pick. The problem on several of those plays did seem predictable playcalling. When you have a linebacker able to run precisely with DK, it certainly seems likely that the route was predictable. Having said that, there were other throws that were simply poor execution. The blame is certainly shared. Schotty's playcalling works best when there's protection (which can be said of any OC), but he has no ability to account for a failure in that regard. The Packers last year and Steelers a few years ago are examples of teams that were able to put together a successful gameplan in the face of poor line play. Schotty's incapable of doing that. I certainly don't put all of the blame at his feet given the drops and poor decisions we've seen on offense, but he takes a large share of the blame.
Play-by-play only goes back to 2004 and it's really messed up in 2004 as if the database is not populated yet. The Jets were 1 for 16 in 2005 with Chad, Brooks Bollinger and Vinny splitting starts in Paul Heimerdinger's only season as offensive coordinator. My recollection is that Chad and Hackett started slowly also but Vinny and Weis/Parcells were pretty good at marching down the field at the start of the game. League average wouldn't help much. You'd need to match up the Jets with similar performance level teams in each season to get anything meaningful. I don't have the time to do that. It took nearly an hour to put together and double-check the Jet's stats on this.
