Since there was some debate as to whether the offensive's issues were a result of bad coaching or lack of talent, I quickly and without research went through the AFC teams and ranked them at QB, RB, WR (and TE) and OL off the top of my head based on my observations of the talent level as it compares to the Jets. I am sure others might rank different groups differently then I have, but here is what I came up with, with their current offensive rank (yards) in the entire NFL. Currently we are ranked 28th in total offense. Be curious to hear others thoughts as to my rankings, but more important, helps give thought to what the issue is.....if it's a coaching or talent issue (or obviously both). I will reserve my thoughts on this thread to what I think, but again, will be curious to what others think..... New England - #1 QB - Greater Backs - Lesser WR (includes TE) – Greater OL - Greater Miami - #16 QB –Lesser Backs - Lesser WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Equal Buffalo - #10 QB - Greater Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Equal OL – Equal Pitt - #12 QB -Greater Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Greater OL – Lesser Baltimore - #14 QB - Equal Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Lesser Cinci - #22 QB - Lesser Backs - Equal WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Lesser Cleveland - #21 QB - Lesser Backs - Equal WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Equal Indy - #30 QB - Lesser Backs – Lesser WR (includes TE) - Greater OL – Equal Houston - #8 QB -Greater Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Greater OL – Equal Jax - #32 QB -Lesser Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Lesser Tennessee - #18 QB - Greater Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) – Equal (before Nicks injury) OL – Equal San Diego - #7 QB - Greater Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Greater OL - Equal KC – Tied #25 QB - Equal Backs - Lesser WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Lesser Raiders - #9 QB - Equal Backs - Greater WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL – Equal Denver – Tied #25 QB – Lesser Backs - Equal WR (includes TE) - Lesser OL - Equal
I disagree only with the Ravens comparison. Flacco is well ahead of Sanchez at this point, albeit he is a year further into his career. His third season was definitely ahead of where Sanchez is now. Other than that I think you nailed it pretty well.
so basically we have a below average qb holding us back and i think you over rate our recievers. the reciever combination last year was by far greater than this year. plax/mason are nothing in comparison to cotch/edwards.
Yep... Also, a lot of teams have the same OL, apparently... I'm willing to hold back judgment on the OL til I see a few more games with Mangold and see how we do. And I would probably take Flacco over Sanchez at this moment, though it's close, and I'm not a big Flacco fan. And I think BJGE is comparable to Greene, I'd say the RBs are equal with NE.
I would argue that Sanchez is undervalued in that comparison. The Four game wonder in Buffalo is not a Better QB. Sanchez has a long list of 4th quarter comebacks, and game winning drives and playoff wins. Buff/Tenn/KC all field guys at the position that you would not trade Sanchez for, prior to downing a bottle of Jack Daniels.
on the list of WR I rated as lower, who would you say is a better core then the Jets? Just curious.....
Yes, Tennessee is definitely a worse QB situation, my bad. and KC, I think you may be right as well. Fitzpatrick, however might at least be arguable. I dont think it's as clear cut as you say.
With Mangold in the lineup, the Jets OL is still quite good. Depth sucks though. WR, Holmes is as good if not better than any receiver in the division and probably one of the better receivers in the AFC. Plax is still a huge question mark. Our #3 is also a question mark. I'm hoping Kerley becomes a solid #3 because Mason is not doing anything anyway. TE, Keller can be one of the top receiving TEs in the league, however, for whatever reason the Jets like to get him involved in some games (which they tend to win) and then in other games he's nowhere to be seen. Our RBs are below average in comparison to other teams. Greene can be good, but he can also go games where he does jack. It could be a product of the OL, but IDK. He hasn't really been all that good since 09. LT is old and can't carry the team. He's still great catching the ball out of the backfield and does well blocking though. Either way, the team just isn't a solid rushing threat now. LT had a great year last year, otherwise if he didn't, who knows if the running game would have been anything good with Greene being the #1.
The OL was toughest to rank. Historically I think we are better than a ton of those teams, but this is based on this year and since we are comparing this years stats, you have to account for the Jets playing without Mangold for almost 3 full games. So yes, for the sake of this I think OL based on the first 5 games falls in the middle of the pack with a lot of these teams talent wise considering Nick being out so long.
i basically put this recieving core at close to the bottom of the afc as it gets. this is not last years reciever group! they had chemistry with sanchez and were younger. plax and mason have really down graded this group to the point they double holmes more and tight coverage on keller pretty much chokes off this offense. mason and plax don't scare anyone other than double or tight coverage on plax in the red zone. this recieving core is a big step back from what we had!
Keep telling yourself Sanchez is better than Fitzpatrick. One day it might make it true. In his last 16 games, only Brady, Rodgers, and Brees have more tds. Jets fans are getting what they think they wanted. All I heard was Sanchez is underrated and doesn't get enough credit. Sanchez is JP Losman and went along for the ride on a very talented offense. Now that the oline isn't that good, the defense can't stop the run, and you have washed up receivers, Sanchez is forced to carry the team. And he can't.
Fitzpatrick has had a good season so far. But....They're also running Chan Gaileys offense. Fitzpatricks career stats. It's that clear. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm A further indictment of Schitty.
I just posted his career stats. Sanchez has more 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, and playoff wins. Fitzpatrick is a journeyman, until now. As I said, he's having a great season. In 3 years, Sanchez has already had a more productive Career, and he's closer to his last high school game, than Fitz is to the NFL draft. Fitz is pushing 30. He also managed to get outscored 76-21 in two games against Sanchez last year.
You had a decent argument until you dropped that turd. Fitz didn't play in the 2nd meeting. Congrats on the first game...Both of your RB's rushed for over 110 yards that day, so the Jets could've started a functioning retard at QB and still won easily. Congrats though. :up:
Also, Sanchez didn't throw a pass in the last game either. It helps to know what you're talking about.
Fitzpatrick and Cassel are better than Sanchez. No question. Dude, there are very few QBs in fotball that Sanchez is clearly better than. I dont know why you think hes so great
