At some point in the near future, Rex is going to have to make major changes in the team starting with the offense if he wants to salvage 2011. Callahan and Schotty both should be feeling some heat about this situation as the Oline has actually regressed to a point before Callahan got here and Schotty is just becoming more intrenched in his belief that his system isn't the problem, its the execution of it. Both guys are at fault here and Rex can be loyal to a fault so unless this trend continues to say, week 8 or so, don't expect anything major to happen. Sometimes I wonder if Rex is still thinking like a DC and not a HC. He's just as stubborn as Schotty by deferring every fckn week even though his vaunted defense is getting pushed up and down the field. He's not accepting the fact that his defense really isn't as good as he thinks it is for a variety of reasons not the least of which is after 3 years, there's still no pass rush sans a blitz and teams have adjusted to his system with all the film out there on us. Tanny owns alot of this as well by becoming enamoured with "names". He had to have LT start at the expense of Greene's development. He had to get Plaxico. He had to get Derrick Mason. He decided to get cheap with Highway Hunter and Baxter instead of investing real money in his Oline and that most likely will get Sanchez killed before the season's over with. At the very least, it could turn Sanchez into David Carr is something isn't done PDQ. Plenty of blame to go around here folks and although its only week 4, we can see the trending this team is taking and it ain't pretty. This season could be over by week 8 unless something drastic takes place on both sides of the ball but it starts on the sidelines and in the booth. Rex and his staff has to be held accountable for this if nothing is done by the fans and the media. The honeymoon period for HC's in this town is just about over for Rex and his staff. For those of you still drinking the 64oz green koolaid, I suggest you add some Stoly to that mix cause unless something happens PDQ, its gonna be a long, long season and the offseason will be even longer.. JMHO..
Mr. T !!!!! All the overdoing of this guy,,,, their personnel on the OL,, depth wise is not only unacceptable, but a joke... One guy goes down and they have backups who shouldn't even be in the league....That's on him. They refused to acknowledge that as a problem from jump street.
Good post. Plenty of blame indeed. The problem I have is I don't know where to start to fix some of this.\ And as I stated in another thread... ANOTHER SLOW START! Didn't convert one 3rd down until 10 seconds left in the 1st quarter. 14.50 minute into the game and we finally make our first down. This is coaching, play-calling, lack of execution, piss-poor timing, lack of blocking, no pass rush, you name it.
Rex Ryan will be gone sooner than later if this keeps up. His corners are the only players that did their job for the entire game last night. The rest of his defense, especially the front seven, struggled again. It seems like getting to the quarterback has almost always been an issue under Ryan. Brian Schottenheimer will be the downfall of this regime if he isn't removed soon. Write it down.
The issue I have with Tannenbaum is that we knew in the preseason that we had absolutely no oline depth and all we did was pick up scrap heap inexperienced guys that was better off on a practice squad. And we got screwed by the injury bug attacking the heart of our oline at full force. The Hunter move i don't blame as much only because he was playing in the playoffs when Woody was hurt and wasn't nearly as bad as he obviously is now. I think in reality our team more than anyone else was screwed by the labor situation, where we had to make trades just to make any kind of improvement. It seems like the last 2 years we are making moves with an arm tied behind our backs. Only way we can fix a lot of our problems is either Hunter getting about twice as good, or somehow getting an RT in, of course with Mangold being healthy, moving Hunter to backup where he belongs. I can't stand Schotty but yesterday was a lost cause from the word go when our oline got completely dominated in the trenches.
This team is going to be fine, we will likely be 2-3 but there is a ton of football to be played. We havea crisis losing 5 of 6 2 years ago, we had the crisis last year w/ the 45-3 and Miami debacles. This team will be fine and end up being really good again. It's way too early to panic.
I like Tannenbaum and would never suggest they get rid of him, but I have to agree that this team's shortcomings this year are a direct result of Tanny thinking his shit didn't stink. He was way too confident about guys like Wayne Hunter, Eric Smith and Shonn Greene...when in retrospect, there was not much body of evidence to encourage such confidence. Had he been a little cautious (let's face it, a good G.M. should be a bit paranoid) we might have more suitable Plan B's. Honestly, I think Tanny will learn more from this season than anyone else and that will make him a better G.M. in the future.
That's another thing... Even yesterday, they get no pass rush,,, and then when they do,, they do everything to miss the QB... Made Flacco look like Fran Tarkenton. Wrap the freakin guy up. Running by him a million times in the first half. And Westerman you can have. Guy does nothing.
Tanny underestimates the value of a veteran, experienced O-lineman, or at least evaluating the talent. How many good guys have we lost over the years? Kareem McKenzie anyone? The DuCasse whiff was something we could live with until Turner's injury. No one could predict the Turner broken leg, but it's not just Center. Its the entire right side. Someone in another thread today mentioned that our line is a half-practice squad line, which is although an exaggeration, it's starting to look that way. Back after Mangini's first year the same thing happened with the Pete Kendall debacle. They went from having a good offensive line, to a poor one the next year, mainly due to just one guy leaving. F'd the entire season. I felt Tanny/Woody were overconfident in the team since they had made the playoffs the previous year. I feel the same way now. Looks like we're going through that again, and Rex wasn't around back then. They figure with Callahan (remember, they denied a team permission to interview him) they could give him poor personnel and he'd just coach them up. Not working now is it? So, I'm blaming Tanny, and to some degree Schotty. Schotty gets the blame for not adapting. We saw one great call - the misdirection run by Conner, but that was it. After that play I said "here we go!" then..... nothing. Sanchez got the piss beat out of him, so there was no way he could pick up a blitz and burn them. He was punch drunk from the first play. Someone had to be open somewhere last night. The offense was pathetic. Keller would have helped by holding on to a couple under thrown balls that hit him in the hands, but whatever... Just wait until Mark misses time. Then we'll really see the overconfidence of Tanny bite us in the ass. There's no way we should feel confident in the QB's behind Mark, and after the last two games, it's a miracle Sanchez can still walk. Is Scott Zolak on this roster?
fun fact: when you're posting via a proxy, you cant vote. the whole coaching staff is to blame. schott for not making adjustments to the line/play calling to suit our injuries callahan for not making adjustments to the line injuries or preparing all possibilites rex for not kickstarting the above two idiots tanny for not getting better line depth,which has been an issue for years.
He's got to be sore as hell this morning. Good thing New England's defense is not as good as the Ravens'. Maybe he'll be able to move the chains a little in Foxboro without getting so beat up, but I was seriously expecting him to get knocked out of the game last night. That blind side was horrific. Belichick has to be licking his chops.
its a mix of everything, but i would weight it a bit heavier towards tanny for not addressing our line depth and pass rush. also weight toward schotty because our offense is god awful and has been since he got here. its so stupid and predictable. its a damn joke.
The OP makes the excellent point that there's a shared responsibility, so of course that is the correct choice in the vote. Ryan is the HC, and Schotty and Callahan report to him and serve at his pleasure. It is my understanding that Ryan also has significant input on personnel decisions. Schotty as OC is responsible for coordinating the overall offensive effort, which right now is a mess, and that includes development of players. The latter is not going well, as witness slow development of Greene, Sanchez and Slauson. Callahan is in trouble since he is directly repsonsible for managing the part of the team that right now is playing worst of all. But depsite saying shared responsibility is the correct answer, I would also say that Tanny deserves more of the blame than anyone else. We have seen him shortchange the OL before, as someone mentioned above, when they let Pete Kendall go without having any Plan B whatsoever to deal with Kendall's departure. The contract situation with Kendall was not exactly what it was this off season with Woody, but the net result is that Woody left and Hunter has been awful in replacement of him. That's part of it, and there's also the fact that Tanny used the pick that brought Ducasse to the team, and that shortly after wasting the pick on Gholston. Tanny has had his great successes, too, particularly Revis, but at best it's been a mixed bag. Then there's not only the lack of measures to add depth before Turner went down, but afterward the team was clearly in need of help. Ducasse still sucked, Hunter was mediocre, and when Turner got hurt, what was the response? Baxter. Not good enough. So they're all at fault, and let's not forget the players, either. But if I had to pick one person more than anyone else, it would be Tanny.
I voted for the combo plan :sad: Well if U did not see the Pats game yesterday Mayo was carted off the field so I am assuming he will be scratched for this weeks game :jets:
This post sums up so much of my frustration. I mean shit, the lack of depth at offensive line has been glaring and we do NOTHING to address it. And it feels like this will be an issue for the next few years as well.
And look at all the guys the Ravens picked up off waiver wire the past month or so. They had two of them starting last night.
