I frankly don't know what the thinking was that the OL was not in need of help heading into the season. Turner going down should have been the wake up call to get someone else. Imo, this has not been a situation where Tanny excelled.
he constantly lined up over hunter, and that had to be expected.... your post is filled with nonsense.... of COURSE you give help on the leagues best pass rusher. who cares if fergeson is vulnerable on the other side, or if they send a blitz. GOOD! let them blitz, thats less guys in coverage. much better then allowing 1 guy to disrupt your entire offense. its the cowboys, you gameplan to slow down ware. do it and you win. we IGNORED him!
Jonny, you did read the thread title, right? That's why this thread still lives. The fact is, the argument goes from "He tries to do too much cute shit" to "He doesn't deviate from the plan", from "He doesn't call screens" to "He calls too many screens", from "We don't score enough" to "We don't score enough to make up for the defense sucking cowballs" and on and on. The goal posts will continually move because as I've been saying all along, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. As the Red Sox just showed today, it's not about the complete ineptitude of the players on the field and their complete lack of execution. It's the coach's fault. I'm not going to throw Tanny under a bus at this point. Coming into the year I was very happy with the team we had. I figured Ducasse would be a little further along. No one expected Turner to go down. No one expected to lose Mangold. It was reasonable to believe Slauson would have improved at least a little, rather than regress. And Callahan told Rex he believed Hunter was ready to take over as a starter. Not only did the Jets have a full offensive line that could believe would be formidable against anyone, it had some depth too. Not a ton of depth, but then again, people were clamoring for upgrades on the defensive line, which we sought to do with Wilkerson and Ellis. You can't have everything, and hindsight is 20/20. This is just more moving of the goalposts.
Alio, The point about the OL I may not disagree with BEFORE Turner got hurt, but after? He was the first guy off the bench, and Hunter and Ducasse are both shaky. The team could have used more OL help once Turner went down, and I mean more than they picked up.
You can call it nonsense but it isn't an obvious choice. If you know that you can't hold the DL then at least by knowing where the pressure is coming from, you can roll the qb away. Or hit short pass right behind the pass rusher. There is no gameplanning that overcomes OL getting beat without blitzing. Rotating half your offensive line to stop somebody isn't the norm. Otherwise there wouldn't be big sack stats for the big time pass rushers. Less guys in coverage is only a factor if you can keep your qb protected until the pass pattern develops. The trenches must be won or at least held even before the "skill" players can take over.
There's no question we needed help, but what has been out there since the Turner injury? We brought in this kid to back up Mangold before we had any clue Nick would be hurt. One would assume the team felt he was the best of the available crop of OLinemen. It's always easy to judge in hindsight, and I said before the year, we didn't have a lot of depth on the OLine. I also said that if Mangold or D'Brick went down, we were screwed anyway. Turner's complete inability to be a quality replacement at his position is the primary problem with the offensive line. Without the injuries, could we have compensated? Probably a lot better than we have. As I said earlier, we had multiple positions to fill in the offseason. We needed to have receivers. We got them. We needed to have a #2 corner. We got him. We desperately needed to get younger and stronger up front defensively. We did. Lastly we needed depth on the offensive line. It's not really a shocker that when something needed to be ignored it was the position that only needed extra depth. I saw people throw around our cap room but we didn't have that room for the majority of free agency. What was seen as freed up early was guys willing to renegotiate if it meant getting Asomugha. The current room is a result of money saved when we extended Harris, which happened far more recently. Whatever room we had between was spent on Holmes and Cromartie. I just find it difficult to knock Tannenbaum when looking at the big picture. Just as I find it hard to point at Schottenheimer and say "It's all HIS fault!!!"
Fuck all you guys. Sanchez under center. I formation. Long pass plays. Against baltimore. /thread This guy is a fucking imbecile.
No one can be blamed when your line is so banged up that the OL doesn't move at the same time when the ball is snapped. holy shit its all just gone to hell.
Looks like they are trying to compensate and adjust though tonight (finally). Had a little momentum going there from the defensive score. Gonna hurt awful bad pulling this game out of our ass though.
The fact that you are watching this debacle we are calling an O-line and blaming Schotty for this first half shows how ignorant you are.
Even if the OL is failing as it is, still the OC job to try and compensate and change tact to get the chains moving. Gotta do something different... like they are now getting the FB in there.
They'll never get a play off if Sanchez has zero time to throw. They could call 80 slants routes. It won't matter. The Jets used their 4th string center in Slauson due to the toughness of the Ravens front 7. Nick Mangold is everything to this offense. Don't complain tonight, because it makes zero sense to get on anyone.
Which would be a nice in game adjustment by the OC. Disclaimer: I do not think Schotty is a great OC, but you guys have gone overbored.
I hear ya. With the holes in our OL right now, the situation is what it is. I don't think that means that they get to give up though. I like that they finally started bringing the full back in though. They need a kitchen sink, and a washer/dryer in there to help with the blocking. It is getting ridiculous how bad they are getting shredded up front.
Generally I agree. I don't even know who to bame for this shit right now. Seems like the entire offensive staff sucks a dick.
You can't be serious, Mick. This unit looks totally unprepared. I know Nick Mangold is great, but when 2 or 3 good players and 2 or 3 excellent players look like they've never played the sport before, I get on the guy who was supposed to prepare them for tonight.
