Okay, good. I'm not trying to be unreasonable, but, after watching these first few games, while the offensive yards and whatever else may be high, it seems like we're woefully mediocre, under-performing, and not even getting key people involved. Which boggles. See, I thought about that, too. But, Holmes isn't even getting doctor/trainer treatment for his quad any longer, apparently. And Rex said Monday of last week, after the Jacksonville game, he was much better, yet he got fewer targets on Sunday, when Oakland had all of those backups in, and they tried less to get him involved this week, than the week he was most "hurt/nursing" the quad injury. Which is why I wasn't sure if that could really be used to explain how ridiculously they're using him. But, I do see your valid point.
Even if you are right, which I am not saying is the case, you have to acknowledge that right now the D personnel is not well suited to being out there for a considerably longer amount of time each game. They are big and somewhat older than average. They are built to prevent third down conversions and to prevent TD's in the red zone. A change in offensive approach to a hurry up will take a toll on this group.
What kills more clock (and thus gives our D more time to rest and recover on the bench) repeated three and out series we subject them to or drives sustained by a no-huddle offense? Maybe we are mixing football terminology less than accurately since people seem to sometimes use the terms "Hurry-up" and "No-huddle" as if they were 100% interchangeable even though we all know they are not (I often use them incorrectly without thinking) because an offense that is in hurry-up is also in no huddle whereas a no huddle offense is not necessarily (and often not) in hurry-up mode. The no-huddle helps QBs get into a rhythm and we know that Sanchez does well with it more often than not. Is that because the game is on the line and its the "clutch" nature of his character emerging or simply because he "needs" to establish a rhythm in order to pass the ball consistently? I have no idea. I do know that an offense can still chew up plenty of time on the clock in the no huddle and if that's what it takes for our offense to sustain drives more consistently than we have thus far, I'm all for it. It would definitely give our D more time off the field.
I don't think the Jets should go hurry-up as the standard offense. I think they should make it more of a priority to score early on by taking real shots down the field instead of the almost perfunctory feeling out of the defense that they seem to use until the last drive of the first half. They make very few adjustments early on and they play about as conservatively as possible. I think every time Brian Schottenheimer thinks "ok, this would be a good time for the wildcat" they should go hurry-up instead and put the ball fully under Mark Sanchez control instead of taking it away from him as the wildcat does. I think they should junk the wildcat. It was effective only when Brad Smith was running it and was more a gimmick than anything else. When you don't have a QB who passed for 8,000 yards in college running it all it is is an off-tackle play from a slightly different vector and occasionally an option play. I think they should junk the reverses, which don't gain all that much yardage and are a disaster waiting to happen on every attempt. I think they should start using the entire field on offense. That means deep middle routes and slants. The middle of the field offense can't just be Dustin Keller and yet so far that's what it's become. I think they should continue to use the entire field on running plays. Shonn Greene showed us where he is most effective last Sunday. Outside with a head of steam. The Jets need to come up with a complementary inside game and they need to make sure that opposing defenses are punished for stacking defenders inside. Basically if we continue to see the same game plan week after week we're going to get the same results. Mark Sanchez has made a few bonehead throws, but that's normal for any QB not named Brady and even Brady has been known to throw balls up for grabs now and then. Mark Sanchez interception percentage this year is 3.6%. That's a normal number for a QB in his third or fourth season in the NFL. Peyton Manning and Drew Brees both had worse numbers than that in either their third or fourth season as a starter. Matt Ryan and Tony Romo both had similar numbers in their third or fourth season. Carson Palmer too. He made a couple of bad throws this year and suddenly he's not progressing despite all the other evidence that says that he is. News Flash: If the Jets win three Super Bowls and Mark Sanchez goes to the hall of fame he will definitely make some boneheaded throws in that span. I look at what he has done so far this year and I think how easily he could be totally regressed back to his rookie season given no offensive line of note, no running game and an offensive coordinator who still hasn't figured out how to make him a big plus aside from letting him go when the game is on the line late. The people complaining about his judgment and bad throws never watched Richard Todd play the game and they must have slept through Vinny.
+1 Just to add my two cents: 1. No-huddle offense is NOT a quick strike offense, where the offense scores in less than a minute. (Stop trying to perpetuate the image of quick strike offense into the no-huddle; no-huddle offense for Jets were, even though it was hurry-up offense by nature, anything but quick-strike stuff.) 2. If the offense repeatedly comes up with three-and-outs, either the offense stinks to the high heavens when it comes to execution, or the designs of the plays flawed in some way. 11 guys consistently fucking up, or one guy consistently fucking up, which way do you want to bet?
What I want to know exactly is how much input Tom Moore is actually giving on a week to week basis? From what I looked up, it says he's just working from home. So is his input solely based on games? How effective can he really be without watching the practices?
One thought that's been lingering in my head: If the execution has been this shitty for 3 (or 6) years, and its not just sanchez, then its all of the offensive coaches. Which means the entire staff is to blame, not just Schotty or Mark.
Thats just a terrible way of putting it. If Wayne Hunter gets beat horribly and a defender is full charge on Mark does that make it all 11 guys fault or Schotty's fault. Neither its obviously Hunters fault. Any 1 person not executing can derail a play. You do not know if its the OC's fault unless the plays have time to develop.
It just boggles the mind that this thread is stil so active. Our offensive line partly due to injuries and partly on talent, sucks dick right now so we have zero running game. That considered, we're scoring plenty of fuckin points and we are 2-1. The one loss we have is MOSTLY on our defense. So why the fuck are we having this same conversation over and over and over again?
Hindsight is 20/20. People expect the OC to call perfect plays everytime after they see how the defense defended it.
Or it could just be the game plans and play calling. The preparation and adjustments that the staff makes or doesn't make in game. After the first game we heard Derrick Mason say that the Cowboys were in coverages that the Jets didn't expect, which was why he and Plaxico Burress got so few looks in the first half. It took an entire half to figure out what was going on? After halftime things got smoother but the first half was wasted because the staff apparently can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Or adapt quickly to on field developments. After game three Santonio Holmes goes on record as criticizing the play calls. In both cases the Jets were facing backups at the corners for most of the game and chose not to attack them except for the 4th quarter in the opener. It's obviously not Sanchez because when things get tight and the game gets put in his hands he has a decent track record at this point. He moves the team quickly down the field and usually finds the end zone when the team needs it. It looks for all the world like the Jet's offensive staff is overly analytical and slow to adapt during games. The rhythm of the first few drives each game is usually off and very rarely do the Jets try to take control of the game early on. The play calling is tentative with no strong theme in the first few drives. Then we get near the half and all the fancy stuff has to go out the window due to time constraints and the Jet's offense works again. Against a bad defense they work most of the time, but that's to be expected. Against a decent defense they struggle a lot and frequently wind up in trouble going into the second half. Overly analytical, tentative, fancy, who does that sound like?
Then you can slap a blocking TE on Hunter's side instead of forcing Hunter to go 1 on 1 with that elite pass rusher. Does that go to Callahan? Are you fucking nuts? Hallmark of a good coach is visible in how he shields his team's weaknesses while exposing the opponent's weakness. Just what weakness is Schottenheimer exploiting on weekly basis? He is NOT exploiting a damn thing, if I have to remind you.
The problem is, however, there were glimpses of productions here and there, even though the end result is STILL the same. (Like TJ running 159 yards and still losing to the Raiders comes to mind.) Also a few things to consider: Braylon Edwards was known for key drops on key moment. That did happen in his first year with the Jets. (Dropping a sure TD pass or whatnot) That problem almost went away last year - meaning Ellard must be doing something right. This year is a sure aberration, but the production through the ground has been staple of this offense for the past few years - meaning the OL coach and the RB coach can't be at fault for the entirety. QB play has been inconsistent at best, before the addition of Cavanaugh. Maybe the QB coach before him and Cavanaugh are both at fault here. Lastly, at the top of the chain of command is Schottenheimer, and his offense has been mediocre at best. What is he doing right, other than being aggressively mediocre?
Learn to read first. Nobody said other aspect of game was played nicely. (Or at least I have placed the disclaimer somewhere.) This thread is specifically about the aggressively mediocre OC, nothing more and nothing less.
Both good points, and I don't have anything to play devils advocate with. And Bradway, not only did Mason say the Cowboys played coverages they didn't expect, all 3 opponents the Jets offense has faced, a WR has mentioned the offense wasn't prepared for those coverages. That's embarrassing. The Jets have played Rex's brother, a sorry excuse for a team, and a defense that is half good and half atrocious (in the secondary). It does point to one guy. I've said it before - I think Schotty is a good coach Monday to Saturday, but on Sunday, hand the sheet to someone else. Maybe they can make adjustments on the fly. Rex can do it, and apparently Hue Jackson can do it too. It still hurts to think Hue didn't want to come here. He's done a hell of a job in Oakland so far, it would have been fun to see what he could have done in NY.
Right... but hunter getting beat badly is a symptom... the real root of the problem is the guy who allows hunter to block demarcus ware or richard seymour one on one with out giving him any help
Defense has more control of who goes up against who in the trenches. Ware was lined up right in front Hunter. Only adjustment possible is to double team or add a TE/RB in addition to double-team. Which leaves the rest of the line vulnerable. Also, if Hunter is constantly being assisted by an offensive lineman or an offensive lineman + TE/RB then it's pretty easy to send blitzes & reach Sanchez. Defense can predict the offensive line's initial movements with consistency.
Im aware of what the thread is about. And as we score 25-30 points a game with no offensive line and a QB who consistently makes mistakes like hes a rookie, I cant help but make you aware again how retarded this thread is.
Maybe you're right. The OL talent sucks (forget Mangold's injury for a moment). Start a new thread blaming Tannenbaum for doing nothing about it despite still being 9 million dollars under the cap. I am sure there was somebody he could have brought in that is better than Hunter is right now.
