I'm not dumb enough to get banned. Something about sticks being inflamed as your life is lost within them along with your sexual preference.
They're not even running the deep post patterns. One of the things about a deep post is that it's still reachable when scrambling to either side. Not that it's necessarily a good idea to fling the ball up on the run but Sanchez has been scrambling a lot this year and he winds up throwing the ball into clouds of defenders when he does this. That's because there's generally a deep option up the sideline and a shorter option on that side and then a receiver who breaks off a route and drags across the middle towards the play to try to help him out. All of the defensive backs tend to be clustered in the areas Sanchez is likely to attack when he is in that situation, including the safeties. A deep post pattern would at least be taking a safety out of the play and either putting two DB's on the flier giving Sanchez more room to throw to the side he's scrambling on or giving the Jets a one on one deep option. It's just not in Schotty's system to put the ball up deep over the middle. He doesn't do that. He wants deep balls on the sidelines where the chance of an interception is lower. What this does to the offense is substitute interceptions in a crowd 20 yards down the field for deep interceptions over the middle, which often are not a lot worse than a punt. It gives the defense extra coverage because they don't have to worry about the deep middle. Their biggest vulnerability there is a 20 yard pass to Keller and having to bring him down before he breaks one, which they routinely do.
Always, You make some good points, but fyi this question has been addressed considerably on the Bashing Schotty thread. I would only say that Ryan is paid to be the HC, not the DC, and that makes him responsible for the O as well as the D. If he's not capable of understanding the O as well as an HC should, well we've got a bigger problem than whether Schotty is good, marginal or sucks.
I understand not throwing deep over the middle has a cost, but avoiding Sanchez INT's has an obvious benefit, doesn't it? The fact is that he throws too many as it is.
Sanchez throws about as many picks as you would expect a third year QB to throw. Very few good passes get intercepted and yet people like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees both had seasons early on where they threw a higher percentage of picks than Sanchez is on pace for. Now throw in the fact that the Jets pass protection this year has been really bad. Throw in the fact that Sanchez receivers are 34 off of a two year hiatus, quad-hobbled, and 37 years old. Throw in the fact that the rushing game has been weak. Throw in the fact that the offensive play calling has been uneven. Mark Sanchez is having a great year given all of the above. He's taken a completely dysfunctional set of assets and made things kind of work. Now you can argue that if Sanchez had thrown zero interceptions at this point the Jets might be 2-1 instead of 2-1. Clearly the early interception against the Raiders wasn't going to stop their offense from running all over the Jets later on. The Jets scored ten unanswered points after the Sanchez interception. There was no momentum shift. The Jets lost this game on the defensive side of the field and to poor adjustments by the offensive staff that kept them scoreless from mid 2nd to mid 4th quarter. The interception meant nothing. Not in the momentum in the game or in the final result.
I'm not going to argue about the INT here, since if you are so sure it meant nothing, I don't think you were watching the game. But the point here is why the Jets do not throw the ball over the middle deep. I said there's a benefit, that being that it limits the risk of interceptions. Gee I look through your post and see nothing that addresses that point. Arguing that Sanchez is not throwing that many, even if true, which I disagree with, my point is he would possibly be throwing more if he threw a lot of passes deep over the middle. Let's try and keep focused on the subject under discussion.
Sanchez threw the pick in a 7-7 game at 4:32 of the 1st quarter. At 13:21 of the 2nd quarter the Jets went up 14-7. At 5:00 of the 2nd quarter the Jets went up 17-7. At 3:40 of the 2nd quarter, more than an entire quarter after the Sanchez pick the Raiders finally scored again because the defense was too slow to contain Darren McFadden. The interception meant nothing. It did not change the momentum of the game at all because the Raiders stalled out on their next two drives and the Jets actually scored a TD on their next opportunity. It was a non-event. It made Sanchez doubters pull their hair out but the effect on the game was null. QB's throw interceptions. It happens all the time. Throwing one interception in a game that the defense gives up 27 points in and the special teams 7 more is just not a big deal, especially when the Raiders couldn't capitalize on the error. There's no evidence that throwing deep over the middle would cause more interceptions. It would just change the location of the existing ones to a place more favorable for the Jets and it would make the plays that worked more valuable. I'm not suggesting that they add more pass plays, although adding more on 1st down seems like a smart move. I'm suggesting that they stop making the deep plays exclusively on the sidelines routes. Those routes are theoretically less risky but not if the safeties figure out which side the play is on and abandon the middle to go over the top on them.
How is it possible that an int when the team was in position to put up at least 3 means nothing? It didn't cost the jets the game by any stretch but it was one mistake in a long string of many that ultimately did cost the jets the game.
Throwing into the middle of the field is normally where the safeties are. That right there is a factor. In addition, if as your arm is about to go forward you see something at the last second to make you question that you'll be intercepted, out patterns to the sideline, or deep sideline routes with no safety there, can be easily thrown out of bounds by putting a bit of mustard on the throw. Throwing even deeper on a deep pattern, the equivalent to throwing out of bounds, is much more risky as the ball will likely remain in the field of play.
Turnovers that prevent scores happen all the time. My point is that people are apparently looking at that interception as a key event in the game. In fact it wasn't. Sanchez threw the ball 43 other times including 2 TD's and no other interceptions. The Jets didn't lose momentum as result of the int. They shut down the Raiders right after it happened and then scored a TD and then shut down the Raiders again. What cost them the game was not the one bad pass that Sanchez threw on a busy workday that wound up being a personal best for him on passing yardage. What cost them the game was that their defense was slow and Antonio Cromartie got butterfingers at the worst possible time. If I'm Rex Ryan I tell Sanchez not to worry about the int, because truth be told Sanchez was about the only thing other than La Dainian Tomlinson, Dustin Keller and Darrelle Revis working at an acceptable level for the Jets on Sunday. If Sanchez hadn't had the game he had the Jets lose that game by thirty points and we're having the same conversation we're apparently having about Sanchez right now except this time it is a lot closer to the truth as opposed to just useless nitpicking. QB's throw bad passes, even good ones. QB's who throw lots of bad passes are bad. Sanchez doesn't do that. He throws about the number of bad passes you'd expect him too given the limitations he's working under this season.
14 pages in and people still dont understand what the op was talking about. he didnt say sanchez cost the jets the game he said he continues to make mistakes. i doesnt matter whether i agree or disagree with him at this point but at least i can understand what he is saying.
Tom Brady continues to make mistakes, as evidenced by his 4 interceptions that clearly cost New England the game on Sunday. Philip Rivers continues to make mistakes as evidenced by his 2 interceptions that nearly cost the Chargers the game against a weak Chiefs defense on Sunday. Drew Brees still makes mistakes as evidenced by his 2 interceptions on Sunday that could easily have cost New Orleans the game. Matt Ryan still makes mistakes as evidenced by the interceptions he threw in each of the Falcons two losses this year. Are we seriously waiting for the day when Mark Sanchez is perfect and doesn't make mistakes and not going to be satisfied until that day? Because I have news for you guys...
all i am trying to say is that the guy didnt say anything about who won or lost the game, he simply was saying that he has made some poor decisions over the past 2 weeks and he expects better of the guy in his third year. like i said, i dont really have an opinion either way on this topic, i just thought it was funny that it went 14 pages and still many are talking about why they lost. no harm, i didnt mean to direct it at you, it was towards many. and i meant no harm by it.
He played like a rookie... Enough said.. let's hope this doesn't keep on a crap streak its gonna hurt our season.
Sanchise will be fine and i'll tell you why! Young QB's need time to adapt and gel with his new WR, Burris is is a completely different receiver than Edwards! Mason plays inside a lot so timing there takes A LONG TIME! JaCo was with Mark since the beginning so it will take that duo time. A good sign is that he has been using Keller as he always does and has hit Holmes on many crucial plays. If that was lost i'd be worried... believe me it just takes time to develop timing and with both Burris and Mason having injury trouble early there hasn't been a ton of time to get bang on. It will come! If there is one thing i would like to see more of from Mark is his ability to make throws from outside the pocket.
an int in every game thus far is alarming, especially the one vs oakland. but he also has two, three hundred yard games, and 7 total td's.
