Winner. He ran for his life against a team that is going to win 4, maybe 5 games this season after Mangold went down. Sanchez may have better numbers this year, but if his line sucks its not going to matter.
I still see a lot of potential for greatness in Sanchez but not in the Manning/Brady way, more in the Bradshaw/Elway/Plunkett way. He's not going to be a 400 yard a game guy. He's not going to be the guy the Jets live and die with every game and if he has an off game it's all over. What I think he's going to be is a really tough clutch QB who stretches defenses with his arm and his legs and whom nobody wants to see on the field against them with 2 minutes to go in a one-score game. You can win championships with that kind of guy if the defense is stout and the Ryan defenses are a perfect match. You don't win a lot of championships with the Brady/Manning type unless the defense is stout also.
I think Sanchez's main problem are the expectations that have been put on him by the media and fans. Being a high draft choice and playing in NY/NJ, he was expected to be an instant franchise QB. I think overall Sanchez has played well. Could he be more consistent? Yes. Does every fan base want a franchise QB? Yes. However, i think some people need to relax a bit and let Sanchez develop into whatever he becomes.
I don't see how the expectations are a problem for him. Does it put him under more pressure? Yes it does but surprisingly to many he has handle pressure better than any next generation qb in this league right now (freeman, ryan, stafford, flacco, bradford, sanchez) I have never seen a 1st and 2nd yr qb take as much abuse as Sanchez has in the media, and it isn't just the NY spotlight because I remember Eli's rookie year, and everyone basically gave him a pass because the team was awful and he did not start from week 1. So with that in mind you have to like everything about Sanchez except his consistency/ mental mistakes. Because everything that he is lack ing in is fixable and learnable. Certain quarterbacks lack things that aren't fixable and they are always open to criticism. Pennington didn't have a strong arm and he was always criticized because of it, and it wasn't something he could fix. People criticize Eli for not having the intangibles and the mettle to be a team leader, and that simply is not his personality, and he really cannot fix that because it's simply not eli to do that sort of thing. Fortunately for Sanchez he has good intangibles, and has "the clutch gene" as far as we have seen, because we all know that even if Sanchez threw for 30 TDs he would still be criticized if he didn't win those close games that he has won. But I am still convinced that Schottenheimer has to just take the training wheels off completely and not just partially which they have done and let Sanchez sling it. This is the only way quarterbacks truly learn in the NFL and Sanchez is no exception. What Schotty is doing with Sanchez is tantamount to a parent teaching their kid to drive by only letting them pull in and out of the driveway, he is not giving him enough room for improvement.
If I were the packers GM Rodgers would have never been gone because he is better than Mark and anyone who knows even just a little about football can see that. So no, you fail. You fail to tell ME what my opinion would be in some ridiculous theoretical situation. Second, Did i play football at a high level? no of course not. But I played the position in high school and I've watched the game for over 15 years now I feel that I have a pretty good idea of what a decent QB looks like and what a great one looks like. You have numerous other fans on this very thread essentially saying the same thing I am. That his inconsistencies are still showing. Regardless of his starting time in College, he has now 2 full NFL seasons under his belt plus playoffs. A elite QB would have begun to emerge by now, even if it wasn't perfect there would be more flashes of brilliance than what we have seen. I'm not on the whole "grass is greener" thing for no reason. This team has put my expectations high because of the talk, because of the bravado. And because quite frankly I am absolutely sick of hearing about Tom fucking Brady and the pats. Its time for the hierarchy to change and I want our team to be on top. And based off of everything I've seen in this league the past few years, the most sure-fire way to get there is by having that elite QB. I pay for season tickets, I put my heart and soul into this team. I come from three generations of die-hard jet fans. We want to see a dynasty, We want the media sucking our dicks and we want to finally shit on the pats and Brady once and for all. The only way this happens is if we finally have that all-star under center.
So if you were the Packers GM, you wouldn't get rid of Rodgers because you knew he'd be better than Sanchez? WTF? Plus if an elite QB emerges in year 3 how would you know with Rodgers since he sat for 3 years, genius? Tell me a QB that turned "elite" in his third year. I'm waiting...
Disagree with the first sentence. The last two years we've made it to the AFC champ game, and both losses were due to our defense, not Sanchez. I agree that with the current rules, that its more likely/easier to win a SB with an elite QB, but its not a necessity. Eli won a few years ago, and no one would consider him an elite QB. It can still be done. Just need the right set of circumstances.
I love the excuses people make for Sanchez. Is the o-line mediocre now? Sure. But it will be fine, and was great his first 2 years. If Schotty awful? Yes. But he was awful with Chad and Favre here too. The fact is simply that Sanchez is a mediocre qb. He has good moments, but also has at least 2/3 moments in every game where you think he is retarded. Sanchez is the reason this team did not go to the SB last year. He is the weak link this year, and will be the weak link unless he stops being a mental midget. To me, Sanchez gets this year and next. If he is still mediocre, the team needs to go out and get another qb while Revis, Harris, Mangold, etc... have good years left...
Mods, can we no longer opine if a poster makes a post that is so inherently dumb, it can make someone's head explode spontaneously?
I didn't phrase that very well. The pressure isn't a problem for Sanchez. I think fans and the media need to stop trying to anoint him as a franchise QB. Just let him develop and see what he becomes.
There are only two kinds of QB's taken in the top 10 picks of the draft: franchise QB's and busts. Until he busts he's a franchise QB whether anybody likes it or not.
The thing is, Sanchez doesn't have to be the entire offense ala Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers, all he has to do is make the clutch throws and not turn the ball over. The type of quarterback I want Sanchez to be is like Roethlisberger (without the Rape). Ben doesn't make a lot of mistakes, can keep plays alive with his feet(like Sanchez) and has an accurate arm to make the important throws. Ben also lets the Steelers ground and pound style of offense go to work, which is why it is uncommon for him to exceed 300 yards in a week. Run the football, make the big throws, don't turn the ball over, and play good defense, thats the key to our success and Sanchez has the ability and talent to learn how to run an offense like that. Get rid of the brain-farts and we win the Superbowl.
Yeah Eli throws a bunch of picks too and still won a SB. Shows you don't necessarily need a Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Rivers to win a SB. If Sanchez's QB play becomes more like Roethlisberger that would be adequate enough (note 2 SB rings for Big Ben). What I see happens sometimes is that if Sanchez makes a mistake he tends to get down on himself and that sometimes leads to more mistakes. But he is improving. His completion percentage and passer rating is up so far this year even with a worse o-line than the previous two years.
Agreed. Manning wasn't elite in '07, Roethlisberger wasn't elite in '05, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were never elite a day in their lives (though the rules weren't as slanted towards offenses when they won their titles.) Despite all of the advantages that QBs get in this day and age, I still believe in the old maxim that defense wins championships. In each of the last two Super Bowls, it was a defensive play that won the game (Clay Matthews forcing a fumble and Tracy Porter's pick 6.) If a team has an elite defense, the QB merely has to be able to make enough plays to keep his team in the game. I think that Sanchez is capable of doing that. Sanchez is the Jets franchise QB, but that doesn't mean that he has to do everything by himself 3 years into his career. I generally agree with Calikid's point: people have unrealistic expectations for Sanchez. He had very little college experience coming in and he still doesn't have much NFL experience. Rome wasn't built in a day. He's going to make bad decisions and throw stupid picks as he matures, that's just part of the growing process for NFL QBs. If he's still making these kind of mistakes 2 years from now, then we will be right to panic about him. For now, we have to take his mistakes in stride and take solace in the fact that our team is good enough to overcome them.
LOL no. Sanchez hasn't been the reason we haven't gone to the SB in the last 2 years. As a matter of fact, he's the reason we've come close to going to the SB those years.
We really should have gone to the Super Bowl that first time. Sanchez was performing so good in that game, but the 2 missed field goals then losing Greene really knocked us out in the end. And of course the huge defensive collapse. Manning really played a perfect game against us, to bad he didnt play a perfect game in the Super Bowl.
