I was just saying that it seems like people are suggesting we should go straight vanilla offense like Sanchez is still a rookie instead of trying to create mismatches with pre-snap motion.
Favre said 'scrap that shit' so he went without pre snap shit. Was it vanilla? Vanilla my ass. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Since you seem so incapable of comprehension, I will drop another bit. The regular offensive protocol for the Jets during Sanchez era is that, Schotty relays the play to Sanchez at 15 second mark. Sanchez then huddles up, breaking the huddle at 10 second mark. He starts his cadence around 7 second mark, then a man goes into motion - the play clock is down to 2 second. This bullshit happened even during last game. Why is it so detrimental? The defense KNOWS that is indeed the regular protocol. So what do they do? They disguise the defensive call - they line up in vanilla package. When the man goes in motion, that signals Sanchez will be forced to snap within 2 seconds after the motion, and that he cannot change the play. They then show the real play - sneak up on the line, go crazy with overload, WHATEVER. Can Sanchez make any adjustment? It is physically IMPOSSIBLE unless you either call timeout or draw Delay of the Game penalty. Motion and creating mismatches are all fine and dandy - good QBs all use that. Just the difference is, good QBs also know how to use the clock as his weapon to reveal the intention of defense. In case of the Jets, the clock is their binding noose instead. If you want to install that motion shit so much, then at least relay the play quick enough so that Sanchez can still have time to make necessary adjustment after the motion. Of course, Schotty loves sitting on his ass when it comes to offensive clock management - hence people are hell bent on saying "Just scrap that motion shit." And I really don't think Rex is telling Schotty to sit on his ass with every fucking offensive play. Is that clear now?
Calm down bud you're getting a little too sensitive over a simple statement about a misconception among some posters. I never said that they are executing the presnap motion correctly, I'm just saying that it would be counterproductive in the long run to just completely abandon it instead of fix it so it can be a useful tool for this offense. I also even opened my post by not defending nor bashing Schotty, there are things he does well and things he sucks at.
And I have laid it out for you. You physically cannot execute pre-snap motion properly if your OC sabotages you like Schotty does. If the bullshit happens once or twice - it is a mistake. If it keeps on cropping up, it is not. It is the character. It is the habit. They are hard to correct.
I may have been a bit harsh here and there, but I do think that mechanism, by which the pre-snap motion kills the offensive plays had to be clarified. If you are saying those harsh bits and pieces are unwarranted - that I can agree. I can tone it down a little bit. If the content - about why the pre-snap motion fails - is unwarranted, then I have to disagree with you there.
Wasnt trying to argue any points, I said my piece on the offense already this week. Just saying tone it down since there was nothing provoking in either of 624's posts.
I never said that the way we are executing the pre-snap motions is the right way. You're just so blinded with your hatred for Schotty that you think I'm riding his dick over it, which can't be farther from the truth. I'm just saying it's stupid for people to think we should just eliminate it because we aren't executing it correctly, whether that's Schotty's fault or Sanchez's fault is not what I'm discussing, it needs to be executed properly and not abandoned. As for the "being a bit harsh" no worries, lay into me all you want you obviously know football you're just being a little narrow minded here.
I also mentioned how other successful QBs use the motions - just, they have to have the time to use it. The gripe with the pre-snap motion is that, (at least as for me) if Schotty can't correct the habit of relaying the plays way too late, then maybe he should scrap the motion thing altogether as it does more harm than good. Obviously, that's not saying Jets should eliminate motions because [they] can't do it properly. It's more of "Schotty, get your fucking head out of your ass" kind of stuff instead. Last, but not the least - [blind] hatred or [narrow-mindedness] you said - I told you (and the entire world for that matter) what sets me off. I can let go of mistakes - we all make mistakes. I make plenty myself. If the same bullshit happens again - and again - and again ad nauseum, then that ticks me off. Which I have seen plenty from Schotty. *One of the most glaring things happened to be that sitting on the play clock shit, but that's not the only dumb shit he does repeatedly.*
Man, I really hate these line by line post type deals.. as if we should care to engage on every opinionated point we make.. I'll only point out this doesn't fall entirely on an OC, it's incredibly hard to point these type of things out in a headset to an offense in an even moderately loud stadium; but this is obviously also on the QB to realize these type of things, if they feel uncomfortable to audible players around. That's what smart QB's do, not offensive coordinators. Well, this has kinda been addressed by others because this was my point about adjusting in the second half.. The adjustments we made put Ware out of the picture at times, but it wasn't something you'd wanna do, esp. out the gates (i.e.; leave 2/3 of Holmes, Burress, Mason out of the picture entirely). But uh, you can't really game plan to stop Ware. Double-teaming him opens up Ratliff/Spencer/a bevy of other options Rob Ryan had available to him on his mega-blitz he brought to the NYJ. He literally blitzed like 66% of the time. And seriously tho. Props where they're due.. Ware has sacked like every good QB in the league, most of them on numerous occasions. It came after our first (but yet, another) stagnant drive of the second half. Are you trying to say this somehow did not help us get our offense on track and help us win this game? I'm really sort of lost here. That Schottenheimer caused us to lose this game, or Sanchito Morales took over the O and deviated entirely from what was called to prove his nutsack is the Holy Grail? Sometimes you give credit where it's due, man. :rofl::rofl::rofl: You are so god damn silly, dude. You don't have to be pretentious, tho. I didn't watch the tapes 3 times already, but you obviously didn't realize Al Gore invented the internet no matter how many times you 'watch your tapes,' right? We were not running a 3 TE set with one eligible receiver on the strip sack play. Maybe it's you who needs to re-watch the game. We had Holmes, Burress, Mason and Keller on routes in a 4-wide set (what you suggested we should've done) on that play. Or maybe NFL.com is just imagining that.. :wink: http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d82228e34/Cowboys-defense-sack-7-yd-loss Plus, 3 second throws is simply not what Cavanaugh and all the other coaches have tried to work with Sanchez with the short time they've had together this offseason. They've worked extensively with his footwork and being able to read through his progressions (i.e.; not staring down the same exact receiver [which leads to 90% of his INT's]). This is simply something a QB coach does; and if you feel qualified for the job, feel more than welcome to apply. That's not Schottenheimer.. If he doesn't learn these types of basics, I'm honestly not sure how you expect him to master at making the types of passes the best QB's in the league make... Most of his 3 second throws are disastrous, like that horrible screen-esque pass to Mason with Holmes trying to act as a diversion on the same side that gained us like 3 yds on a 3rd and 6.
i swear to god if i see that stupid fucking play where he just passes it out to a receiver without setting up any blocking or anything again im going to shit. its like a quasi trick play that works in short yardage situations when the cb is backed off the receiver before the snap so you get the ball out to him before the db has time to adjust. it was called twice against dallas. its a common thing in the nfl to try and neutralize the blitz with a short passing game. the jets receivers should have been having a field day on those short routes against the dallas corners. in fact, those are usually the routes where inexperience hurts them the most. my main problem with schotty, as it has always been, is that he doesnt seem to understand defense.
They didn't even complete two possessions within the first quarter because the D couldn't get Dallas off the field quicker than that. But... while the first possession was concededly three and out after three passing plays, the Jets picked up three first downs on their second possession. The possession ended on two incompletions, one a short pass attempt to Holmes, another a long one to Burress. I see lack of execution there, not poor play calling by the OC. How do you see it differently? What plays would you have called instead? While the next two possessions in the first half were three and outs, marked mostly by too little gains on running plays and incompletions on the pasing plays, the last possession led to a touchdown. I must be missing something.
Again, the Jets ran 11 offensive plays from scrimmage in the first quarter. After the sack on first down to Ware, that screwed up the first possession, the Jets picked up three first downs on their second posession of the first quarter. How is that "not working"?
You need to do a better job of being accurate. You were talking about the first quarter. The Jets had not even completed their second possession by the end of the first quarter.
Schotty does not know how to call run plays using the entire field. It's up the gut counter this, counter that all day. And that only works if we have a huge advantage up front, which we didn't. It also does not work when you don't try to push the edge on off tackle trap plays and sweeps, or even screen plays. Guy is totally one dimensional and pigheaded when it comes to our run game, I am so sick of these slow developing shithead calls. How about line up with some quick hitters to the right or left with Conner leading the way. How freaking simple is that and how many times do we do it? Never. Mangold would love to pull out on a sweep and knock the snot out of somebody running down the line..I guarantee that.
Ok. Score after 1st quarter: 0 Hope you are happier by now. Doesn't change the result much anyway. (And the result is the previous posting, just in case you are wondering.)
Of course that's a Cimini article, so even though it's actually well thought out and flies in the face of everything the detractors have said, it'll just be written off as moronic and inflammitory. Especially the part where he discusses the Jets' plan actually being to attack the secondary, like people are claiming they didn't attempt. The problem being, if that was the plan going in, and it failed to work very well for the first half of the game, it had to be someone's fault. And we all know it could never be that the golden boy behind center isn't the new Namath. So naturally it must be that "Schotty sucks."
The Jets started off slow. Thats a fact. They couldn't get much done with the ball in the first half until that TD to Keller drive. And they weren't that great to close out the game either. Yeah, the TD to Burress drive was good, but besides that, nothing much to be raving about. Last three drives resulted in a punt, int, and a 2 yard drive for 3 points. You are not going to win every week if you do that on three drives to close out games you were behind on.
