the issue is more that it took him 45 minutes to realize he needed to block the best pass rusher in football, when it was obvious to even the novice fan after 1 or 2 series that leaving wayne hunter alone to block him 1 on 1 was a terrible idea. was it a good adjustment? yea. did it work? yea. would most ig not every other OC in football have made an adjustment to counter ware 2 quarters ago? yea.
If you go back and look at the game, did Rob shift Ware throughout the line from left, middle and right? yea. Did he eat up Hunter, Brick and Mangold? yea. Did you know in advance of the offensive playcalls where he would be lining up? yea, i'm sure. Could we deviate from our entire gameplan that we practiced all week without a chance to sit down and talk with every member of the offense? Oh surely, that would've been easy for any offensive coordinator. It would've taken a damn good offensive coordinator to make that ballsy of an adjustment of bringing in 3 tight ends, 1 RB and only 1 of our 3 WR's in the first quarter, dawg. Edit: And oh yeah, umm.. One half = 30 mins, man
I mean, we obviously knew going in that Hunter would be abused, just like we knew we'd abuse Tyron Smith and the Cowboys' right side of their line. We usually shifted a RB to the side he was on for help. Thing is, Ware is just. that. damn. good. You can't blame Schotty for that. It took an alteration of gameplan, which is not something that you can easily conduct on the fly in the heat of the moment. Yeah, the first drive we started to use the 3 TE set only led to a field goal, but it gave our O some much needed confidence and more importantly allowed Sanchez time to get settled into the game. Now like I said, I think we could've had a better gameplan going in; there's absolutely no reason our first 4 drives should end in punts. But not everything falls on the OC, some of it? Absolutely. Half of it? You could make that argument. But it also comes down to offensive execution and a lot of our players looked like shit in the first half regardless of what was called. And let's not forget how hard it is to prepare for a Ryan defense, no matter what. Rex had great success against our O for the majority of camp.
The fact of the matter is that the adjustments in the second half were productive. Going to LT meant three first downs. The three tight end set got Cumberland involved and also meant Keller made some plays.
ware did move around, but as of late second quarter, it was like 80% on the left side against hunter, according to the graphic they showed. and even if your not sure where he is, you can always motion the TE you had to help out on one side over to the side were ware is. its not anything exotic, its pretty basic, which is whats scary. well, thats kind of my point... why wasnt our gameplan coming in to make sure we blocked and accounted for the NFL's best pass rusher? make sure we always identified him and adjusted protection accordingly? im no nfl head coach, but this stuff seems pretty vanilla and pretty obvious to me, so it should be a no brainer for our OC dawg? ballsy? what is ballsy is allowing the other teams best passer rusher a free pass at your young franchise qb for 40 minutes. thats whats ballsy... maybe another OC wouldnt have gone to that exact personel grouping, but they sure as hell woudl have gone to some adjustment to make sure where was accounted for... and likely have done it long before the 40 minutes it took our OC. and that play came what... mid to late 3rd quarter right?
There was no way the Jets were going to come out in the first quarter in a three tight end set and forego the running game without even trying it.
no i want to blame shotty for allowing hunter to block ware one on one without adjusting for 30-40 minutes. all the coaching and technique in the world isnt going to help someone like hunter stop someone like ware. it is simply asking too much. when you ahve such a horrible mismatch in the opposing teams failure, its up to the OC to scheme to help block that guy. we didnt gameplan for ware, and it took forever to adjust for it. to me thats unacceptable. anytime you face the leagues best pass rusher, you make damn well sure you have a plan in place to block him, and that plan shouldnt be having maybe your worst lineman try and block him 1 on 1
what are you talking about? who suggested they come out in a 3 tight end set? who said anything about not wanting to try and run the ball without trying it first? - there are other ways to try and slow down ware besides going with a 3 tight end set. there are about 2 dozen things you can do between "let hunter get abused one on one" and "go to a 3 tight end set". Dont be so black and white about it... you can have a 1 TE set with a TE helping out. you can have a back over there to help out. you can chip him with multiple players, you can run screens to take advantage of his upfield push. you cango with an unbalanced line, you can run a designed roll out or move the pocket away from him. there are tons of things you can do -- so lets stop making it out like some super inventive 3 tight end set is the only thing on the planet that could have been done to try and slow down ware. Why do we not have a plan in place from snap 1 to make sure ware is blocked and getting attention at all times? thats my issue. sure, its not easy, nd maybe he still beats it because he is an elite player... but to not have a better plan coming in then let hunter take him 1 on 1 is pretty sad
You're being too rational and logical for the BS defenders and will only confuse them. It's absolutely amazing the mediocrity that otherwise intelligent football fans are willing to accept and the lengths they will go to in order to justify BS' incompetence. Simply amazing. The Jets WERE very lucky Sunday night...lucky not to lose Sanchez for the rest of the season with a major injury. He's not without some skills and creativity, but at the two most important aspects of his job, game planning and play calling, he absolutely sucks. He evidently has no clue how to set up plays to make them work, either. He seems to just pull them out of a hat at random, then is surprised when they don't work. I will give him credit for obviously demanding discipline in not shooting themselves in the foot with stupid penalties this week. Hopefully, he will continue that, as well as demanding better execution from the players.
You were addressing kb's point at 2702 about bringing in the three TE set, and complained that Schotty did not do so earlier, and said they should have game planned for Ware from the first quarter. Turned out the 3 TE set WAS quite helpful in slowing down Dallas's D. I was pointing out that there was no way the Jets were going to go 3 TE set in the first quarter.
And what lengths is Rex Ryan willing to go to accept what you call BS's incompetence? Care to start taking swipes at Ryan?
One, The adjustments did not help us win the game (at least to the extent that you don't compare them in a vaccum against what should have been better options), we mustered 10 whole offensive points in the second half. 4/5 Wide and 3 second throws would have had the same effect, neutralizing the pass rush against a depleted secondary by getting the ball out quickly....(and should have been part of the plan going in.) (did you watch any of last nights game. Brady had the Miami defense sucking wind from chasing guys down the field, because he wasn't holding the ball for three days while down the field patterns opened up. Not comparing the to players, just the style of play calling) I've watched the tape 3 times already. Sanchez was relatively untouched in circumstances where the ball was gone by a 3 count. Don't take my word for it, watch the game tonight, I believe NFLN is re-airing it. The other problem with the 3 TE solution is evident on the strip sack play, where there's ONE guy eligible to get the ball. Plax running a double move outside the numbers trying to go deep. Great, you brought in some TE's. I'll blitz a DB from the back side.
4 wide? Are you crazy? That doesn't exist in Schotty's offense. Didn't you know? I mean... Dallas has depleted secondary, so spreading the defense is a logical option - that should not happen in Schotty's realm. Hell. Bubble screens are a rarity in his offense. 4 wide? Dream on. (And just why the HELL was Kerley drafted? Ah. So he can return punts, right?)
All right. Let's just take a page out of Patriots offense that put a clinic on attacking defense last night. Basically, Patriots aerial assault has three flavors: 1. Attacking right along the seam. 2. Attacking underneath. 3. E-fighting (Explanation to follow) -------------------------------------------------------------- The term E-fighting is an actual term used to describe aerial tactics in WWII. Simply put, the more energy you have, you win. By Energy, I mean to say (from basic physics) a. Potential Energy b. Kinetic Energy If I happen to be flying higher than you, then you are a good target for me. If I am flying faster than you, then it would be hard for you to dodge my attack. If I am flying higher than you with faster speed, then you are as good as dead meat. Of course, the Potential Energy part needs to be re-defined on the football field; if the receiver can jump higher (recoil energy coming in form of F = -kx) then he can be said to have higher potential energy. Keep these in mind. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- All in all, Brady's primary read was the short, easy targets first and foremost. If that wasn't there, then he looked the intermediate zones, and the last progression was the long yardage targets. Of course, Patriots offense made an extremely good use out of their personnel in selecting target for each zones - some routes were ran specifically by some type of receivers and nobody else. Always the goal was to make sure that they could get at least 5 yards on initial pass at 1st down - or so it looked like to me. All three flavors were in use, but different receivers were used per flavor. When the fags were calling zone defenses: 1. Attack along the seam: Welker/Branch/Edelman, those shifty guys that can find the seam quickly 2. Attack underneath: Depends on the situation. On 3rd and whatever, the preferred targets were the TEs, who would receive the ball then fall forward for 1st down. On other downs, the aforementioned trio saw extensive use. 3. E-fighting: Brady somehow knows when the defenders bump the runner between each other (he has an excellent anticipation). When the exchange occurs, he hits the WR in his stride. The defender has to accelerate while the WR is running at full speed. WR wins hands down. (and we all saw that.) In man-to-man, attack along the seam weren't used at all (there's no seam anyway.) Woodhead run or Woodhead pass after clear out (again, the underneath concept + e-fighting concept) were used there. Either that, or they would set picks for the receiver. While the receiver and the chasing defender might have close to similar speed before the ball the got there, once the ball gets to the receiver, the runner keeps on running unimpeded, while the chasing DB gets bumped into the pick other receivers set up. Once that happens, he bleeds his energy and loses his speed - this was their bread and butter all along starting from last year. In intermediate and long yard passes, Brady's pass usually found Aaron Hernandez or Gronkowski. Hernandez did have an excellent jump, all over fags secondaries. He also possessed good speed as well, making an excellent long-range target. Brady did throw once to Welker for a long pass, but Welker couldn't catch it; he doesn't have the height or the jump to grab it. He's a shifty guy that works well in space, not someone that will find the long ball often. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Now... look at how Jets passes are coming. I really don't think Jets passing comes in distinct flavor like Patriots offense, and I really don't think Jets passing mentality is the small ball mentality either. It is this reason why we don't see those three step drops for 5 yard kind of play. Look at the number of receptions and the yardage out of it. 26 completion accounted for 335 yards - that's more than 10 yards per completion. True, the yardage out of Tomlinson's reception should be discounted somewhat, as half his yardage came from one screen pass. (and etc etc) but in general, Mark's targets are good 8~15 yard area, not shorter. You can't play short ball control offense with that kind of route set up. Look. Schotty's brand of football is not WCO. What Brady runs is closer to WCO. Runs after catches are not really emphasized in Schotty's scheme as much it is emphasized either in WCO or in Patriots case. (Welker in one TD play had more YAC than Tomlinson had in the entire game, case in point.) So far, what's clear is that: 1. Jets offense is not calling the plays that maximizes the strength of the players. Plax is not a burner. He's a vertical-leap kind of guy. So what do you do? Put him on a double move on a go route. (Are you fucking stupid!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) 2. Jets receivers are not attacking the seam. This should be very clear. (And this shouldn't be happening either. At least one receiver - either Mason or Keller - should be attacking the seam.) 3. Tomlinson is the only weapon that attacks the underneath zone. (Duh.) Why does this have to happen? I have absolutely no clue. Really.
I complained shotty didnt ADJUST in the first quarter... in ANY fashion... not that he didnt go 3 tight ends. again, there are countless ways to adjust to an elite pass rusher abusing your worst offensive lineman 1 on 1. Shotty tried ZERO of them in the first half, many of which are easy adjustments, that may not of even required a personel change
I'm not saying Schotty is a great OC, but he isn't as horrible as most Jet fans make him out to be. Every fucking fanbase bashes their OC after every game. Two things people need to understand are: 1.) Sanchez does not call his own plays in the hurryup, the reason he is successful in this style is because he is a streaky QB who likes to play fast and in rhythm, not because he is calling his own plays. 2.) People just mindlessly saying "get rid of the pre-snap bullshit, it doesn't work" are completely wrong. That is a necessary way of running an offense and it's not Schotty's fault if that doesn't work, it's something Sanchez needs to get comfortable with, not something for Schotty to scrap. Now I didn't read the last 5 pages so this might've been brought up already...but they're true.
1. So scripting the entire first quarter to allow Mark to play to his strength is a good way to get the offense going - which is not happening. 2. I have iterated countless times how that pre-snap motion literally killed the offensive plays - and you are now telling me that's a NECESSARY way of running an offense? All right - if you want to slap that pre-snap motion in, AT LEAST GIVE THE QUARTERBACK SOME FUCKING TIME TO ADJUST AFTER THE MOTION. Schotty does NOT do this. He always, ALWAYS gives the play late. Obviously you missed Sanchez barking at the sideline for plays when Schotty was literally sitting on his ass last season. This is how the pre-snap motion forced the hand. There is a reason many of us have been saying we should just scrap that piece of shit. Or are you telling me being forced to play to the tune of defense is a necessary step in playing offense? Are you fucking nuts?
