Brainlessly bash former Jet employee, Brian Schottenheimer

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  1. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    All I did was point out that you were basically asking for change just for the sake of change. You came at me hot and are now backtracking while throwing lame punctuation insults at me? I think my point about you has been proven sufficiently.
     
  2. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    I responded that way after being insulted by both him and you.

    YOU grow up. I'm supposed to take advice from someone with "the mindless fool" as your avatar? Right. It suits you to a tee.
     
  3. joeklecko

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    Wrong, because that's not what I was doing. You came at me hot and with insults. I was sticking to facts and my opinion of things.

    Naturally, you think you're right, but you aren't.
     
  4. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    If we are gonna go down this road, should we be taking someone with Joe Klecko in their name an avatar seriously? He is a buffoon on SNY, but it does suit you well.
     
  5. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    It was what you were doing, asking for college coaches and guys that "couldn't do much worse."
     
  6. MBGreen

    MBGreen Banned

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    There are 2 choices here. Either calm down...or tape your hands, dip them in glass, and head over to the TT forum.
     
  7. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    Ruining all the fun.
     
  8. MBGreen

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    That's part of the job, Cadet Mahoney.
     
  9. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    Does that make you Lieutenant Harris?
     
  10. MBGreen

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    uhhhh..no, that's Mack. :)
     
  11. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Right, right.

    So maybe Callahan doesn't install a less complex system. So, if he doesn't, what's the improvement?

    Okay, let's say he does. What's the improvement?

    As for positional coaches, yes, I'm aware of their credentials. For someone with as many posts as you have it sure seems like you just got here yesterday.

    Here's the issue with your logic regarding the coaches though. Brian Schottenheimer is well regarded around the league as a brilliant offensive coach. So what does that mean? People who highly regard coaches that aren't Schottenheimer are smart, and those who highly regard Schotty aren't? How about the people who highly regard both?

    Someone is quick to respond here, but it's not ukk or myself. And that same person is the one who isn't very careful or understand things well.

    Do you even care how ridiculous you sound? Wait. Don't tell me. I know this one!

    More than half of the league scored less points than the Jets' offense last year. Reducing the conversation to "serious injuries" or the composition of their offensive line is a cute way of deflecting, but it's not going to win you the argument.

    I don't have to prove anything here. The fact remains that only 12 of 32 teams scored more points on offense than the New York Jets in 2010. That offense was led by Brian Schottenheimer. That's indisputable.

    I never attributed that to you. Talk about strawmen.

    Right. Your maturity is clearly as high above mine as your IQ.
     
    #2511 AlioTheFool, Sep 7, 2011
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  12. The Notorious J.E.T.S

    The Notorious J.E.T.S Well-Known Member

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    you can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better
     
  14. Klaus Casanova

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    Over the years that football fanatics have been adding the strands of intellectual lint to the growingly incomprehensible goliath lint ball that makes the web what it is, you would certainly find people that follow the progress of teams like the 98-99 Broncos, 00-01 Ravens, 06-07 Colts, most certainly the 07-08 Giants, criticizing the ineptitude of coordinators great and small, coordinators who would one day deliver the ultimate prize to those same fans.

    As many Jets fans credit Young Mark for his pressure performance in the playoffs, the same should give the same nod to a coordinator who is able to organize and inspire an offense that was against odds and overcame them, as immense as those odds appeared.

    Schottenheimer is a key element of the best and most realistic ticket to a possible Super Bowl this team has had, or possibly even hoped for, since Godfather Parcells was shunned by the Michael Corleone of football, who strayed from the script to be the head of the Tattaglia family.

    You really cannot support Sanchez in the post season without whole heartedly backing the mastery of Good Schott. He has done everything possibly to disprove the stigma that comes with being the spawn of Bad Schott.

    Our worst nightmare should be for him to take over the head job in Muffalo or Biami. He would be an agonizing thorn.

    Fan luxury on the internet is at the cellular level an ability to brazenly display disapproval for lack of perfection. Such a mind state is addictive as heroin.
     
    #2514 Klaus Casanova, Sep 7, 2011
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  15. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    The other cool thing about the internet is the lack of disclosure about conflict of interest.

    I have no issue with our OC one way or another but calling his departure to a competitor our worst nightmare or that he is our best chance to win a SB, seems like a stretch only a relative could make.
     
  16. Franchize

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    I'd pack his bags and drive him to the airport myself :rofl:
     
  17. Klaus Casanova

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    A term you should further embolden should be key element which is referring to Good Schott's status as mentor and chief inspiration to the Franchise's hopes under center, as well as engineer to an impressive number and variety of statement wins under pressure under two very different regimes.

    The overall respective occasions levels of frequency and graphs of inconsistency between Young Mark and Good Schott aren't that dissimilar when you look down upon it from the cheap seats. Until Sanchez separates himself from statistic mediocrity, which is to say find a true comfort zone and ability to maintain the clear spectrum of focus that only a top flight NFL signal caller possesses, will we see the truth about a boom our bust prodigy like Good Schott.

    Whether he will be viewed as football genius for a short but profitable promotional campaign, the mentor to a champions, a misunderstood well of unrealized potential or a fraudulent failure who finds fortune with past associations and name recognitions as most businessman thrive upon enroute to eyebrow raising wealth.



    Your second criticism should appear as willful disdain as even a less than average football mind like Eric Mangini could use stolen knowledge from a former team to add a notch or two to the Win column.

    'Worst nightmare' refers to division losses to beatable teams that affect postseason hopes.
     
  18. JCotchrocket

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    No, this is not Rex's team. This is Woody Johnson's team. Woody Johnson will never get fired, I don't care how many games we lose in the next decade.

    This is something of a difficult pill to swallow, but Rex is probably going to get fired. It's just the nature of this business; Rex acknowledges this repeatedly in his book.

    Right now, things are great. Back-to-back AFCCG appearances will buy a head coach some leeway. But ultimately, Rex Ryan has only as much tenure as Woody Johnson is willing to give him. What happens if we (knock on wood) go 8-8 the next two years? Rex gets fired, that's what happens.

    You've got to play the game, and Rex knows this. If you're not on the same page as your owner and you're winning, that's not necessarily a problem. If you're not on the same page as your owner and you're losing... you're gone.

    I fully acknowledge the bolded part, BB. I don't think Rex is forced to accept BS at all- I think he could go out and fire BS right now and Woody would say "well, Rex, you're our head coach and I support you," the same way Woody supported Rex when he chose Cortland over Woody's new multi-million dollar facility.

    But that support isn't unconditional. You can bet your ass that if the team came out flat after two seasons at Cortland, there would have been a lot more "support" to move training camp to Woody's new joint. In fact, we looked pretty flat during the season opener and we didn't go back to Cortland this year. (I'm getting off-topic- that decision had more to do with the lock-out, anyway).

    I happen to believe Woody Johnson is very fond of Brian Schottenheimer. I also happen to believe Rex Ryan is not satisfied with the offense- how could he be? (Head coaches who are pleased with their offensive coordinators don't bring in former offensive coordinators to "consult.") It's a "the-devil-I-know" situation with a wrinkle- if Rex cans Woody's guy, the offense needs to perform better the next year or else he's on the hot seat. There's no guarantee there.

    Here's my closing point- I think Brian Schottenheimer is an average offensive coordinator with a good relationship with the team owner. I think Rex Ryan thinks that this team's best chance at true success is to keep Rex Ryan as the coach for a long time (I agree). Therefore, I think Rex Ryan isn't going to damage his relationship with the owner by moving on from BS for someone superior until it proves to be absolutely necessary (the offense doesn't improve after Sanchez's key third year), or totally safe to do so (the team wins a Super Bowl).
     
  19. Biggs

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    If all we can expect from the OC is performance that matches QB performance chances are pretty good we could sub out any other OC and get similar results. Even Lex Luther without kryptonite doesn't ever get the better of Superman.

    As far as my second criticism, my intent wasn't to be critical it was merely an observation. Generally when someone acts like they have a conflict of interest generally they do. Of course that’s again just an observation.
     
  20. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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