Kyle Wilson at nickel?

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  1. Will-I-Am-Not

    Will-I-Am-Not Well-Known Member

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    Cornerbacks have a steep learning curve, and even the best ones get burned occasionally. The position lends itself to analysis by overreaction both for good and bad. Wilson has all of the tools. I still believe he'll be a good corner before too long.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Unless your name is Revis, another 1st round pick like Wilson, who apparently had no learning curve at all and just stepped on the field after a rookie holdout and became a star immediately. Wilson needs to step it up big time this year, after all they are only asking him to play nickel, not be a starter.
     
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  3. nyjetsrule

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    which as you pointed out, is a gigantic reason why Jets fans have no patience. Revis and Mangold's walking into the NFL and being a stud, then in year 2 becoming superhuman and the best in the game are the two biggest reasons we have no patience with draft picks any more.

    Wilson has clearly improved since last year. He is getting better, and it will show this year. He will still give up catches, hell even Revis does that. But it's sad the board is going to terrorize him and hate him until he becomes a better player than Cromartie. And Yes, in time I believe he will. I think year 4, Wilson will take Cro's spot on the outside and prove that he and Revis are going to be a great tandem for 5+ years.
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Revis did not become a star immediately.

    He was good his first year, but still had much to learn. His 2nd year was amazing, but people really didn't notice yet.

    His 3rd year was his breakout year and the who league knew who he was.

    Even Revis is an example of how it takes 3 years until a draft pick can be graded.
     
  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    This is a case of selective memory. Revis got burned a number of times in his rookie season and definitely had a learning curve. He showed much more than Wilson did last season, but Revis is the best at his position in the entire league. I agree that Wilson needs to show us something good this year, but let's not compare him to the undisputed champion.
     
  6. blackssmagic

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    The bottom line as others have said, Wilson needs to step it up this year. With that we are spoiled watching Revis play and think that Wilson should play at his level.

    Wilson has the tools its just a matter of using them, he needs to get his head turned around faster to prevent getting burned as often.
     
  7. kbgreen

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    This - and why is everyone so determined that he needs to move to safety?
     
  8. bigcotch

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    hahahhaha you're not serious are you? Revis was our best CB from game #1 even after missing almost all of training camp. He made the fucking probowl in his second season! It did not take 3 full seasons to see where this kid was headed.

    Did it take 3 seasons to accuratly judge Gholston? Schlegal? Jamarcus Russel? No, because those guys showed no progress in years 1,2 or 3. Most NFL teams will only allow 3 years to shit or get off the pot- that's the average NFL career. If a guy shows you no development through the first 2 seasons, it's doubtful that he's going to all of a sudden become a great player in year 3. Most guys have a GRADUAL LEARNING CURVE that can be judged early on.

    My guess is Wilson will take a few years to develop. He's got skills, and showed some progression, but he's delayed for a first rounder. I doubt he'll ever be a lockdown top CB, but I'm sure he'll be a starting #2 at some point.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Probably because we were so successful moving Lowery to safety. It's a proven recipe for success. lol
     
  10. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Revis was the best corner on our roster, which included such talents as David Barrett, Drew Coleman, Hank Poteat, and an aging Andre Dyson. Yes, he was very good for a rookie, and I agree it didn't take 3 seasons to see where he was headed, but let's not make it out like he was an all pro the day he stepped on the field. Our cornerbacks sucked a dog dick until he showed up.
     
  11. Miamipuck

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    Wow We can go back and see how the complaint we had with Revis year 1 was similar to Wilson.......not turning his head around. Although Revis, didnt take long at all to improve drastically.
     
  12. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I wasn't really making that comparison. All I was saying was that he was a first round pick and he should at least be able to start at nickel. Nobody is asking anything more of him right now. If he gets demoted again this year then you have to wonder if he will ever make it.
     
  13. KOZ

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    I have to admit that I didn't watch him on every down this preseason to see how he was progressing, and for those of you who have, did you notice whether he's started to turn his head more and actually look for the ball? There was an endzone fade in the Philly game where Strickland pulled a Wilson and was looking at some hot chick in the stands instead of the ball, and for whatever reason the announcers were applauding him for his stellar coverage- seemed to be alot of luck mixed in that the receiver didn't come up with the ball.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You make it sound like playing the nickel is an easy thing. In this NFL era, and especially in a division with the Patriots, the slot has become a premier weapon. The smart teams know what the Jets do to take away everything outside the hash marks, so they design an offense to attack inside. The nickel we used to know as '3rd CB on the depth chart' could end up being one of the most important positions on defense before we know it.

    That's why Rex wanted this guy in the 1st round, and it also could be why Wilson has struggled up until now. I think I'll give him until week 8 before I get nervous about his development, and he's in a prime situation to take steps up. Give him a little longer before you start waving the Bust flag over your heads.
     
  15. kbgreen

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    You mean where the qb basically hit him on top of the helmet?

    Wilson is getting better at getting his head around. He is not all the way there yet but has been able to get his body into better angles to make the tackle on his man. Last year he was chasing his guy as he caught the ball this year he is in position to hit his guy right after the ball gets there. Well at least in the preseason anyway.

    By the way I love the new avatar!
     
  16. Miamipuck

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    It is difficult to say. I don't think he had nearly the same problem turning his head around. However, I did notice in preseason the Jets backed off the line a bit more than normal, even Revis. So Wilson did get beat a few times that I was watching him in particular. I don't think the Jets are going to cover like that starting week 1.
     
  17. Jetsring2013

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    This. I remember Revis getting called a few times too many for using his hands too much...occasionally didn't get his head around and even got beat sometimes. You could more or less tell what was there but he wasn't ready to just shut everybody down. Now it's like you're watching Mozart at work every down.

    Wilson isn't Revis but this is a big year for him to step up and contribute for everyone's sake. Hopefully he can do it.
     
  18. hazmat

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    The Jets defense is so much more demanding for a cornerback then another in the NFL. Every other team plays a lot more zone and a lot more man with 2 safeties as protection.

    The Jets ask their cornerbacks to play man to man with no dominant pass rusher and without 2 safeties playing behind them.

    Last year everyone took notice of how well Mccourty played. I do think he had a very good year, but lets keep in mind that a) the patriots were always winning games b) They almost always play a bend don't break defense giving players like Mccourty and Samuel the opportunity to go for turnovers since they know they have help behind them.

    The Jets defense puts a ton of pressure on the cornerback to not only cover, but also if they give up a reception to make a tackle. On top of that Kyle Wilson is playing the nickel which increases the number of routes he has to cover.

    Give the kid some time in the system and lets see what he can do.
     
  19. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    And you make it sound like we should expect nothing from first round picks. What is your answer, draft them, give them 20 million dollars and then put them on the PS for the next 3 years? First round picks other than QBs should play, that's why they are taken in the first round. Almost all of them do.
     
  20. ManlyGenius

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    This "Wilson's rookie year was a lot like Revis's" stuff is just totally wrong.

    Revis was a very solid full time starter from day one. He was the team's best corner from about day one. He had bad moments but he was quite good overall; he never left the field, and anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the game knew he was going to be, at a minimum, a very, very good corner.

    Wilson started as a nickel back and by the end of the year was sixth or seventh on the team. Right now it's unclear from what he's done in games whether he'll grow into a starting caliber player or whether he'll be out of the league in two years. (I have every reason to believe that the Jets' initial evaluation of him was correct and he'll become pretty good but his on the field performance has consistently left something to be desired, as Rex pointed out after the last game).
     

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